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The regularly scheduled meeting of the Dublin City Council was called to order by
Mayor Jan Rozanski at 7:30 P.M. on Monday, August 5, 1991. The Pledge of
Allegiance was repeated by all. Mr. Campbell, Mr. Strip, Mr. Amorose, Ms. Maurer,
(late) Mayor Rozanski were present.
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Mayor Rozanski: Entertain a motion to approve the minutes of the June 3, 1991 meeting.
A. C. Strip: So moved.
Mr. Amorose: Second.
Mayor Rozanski: Any discussion or comments on the minutes Hearing none.
Mayor Rozanski, yes
Mr. Strip, yes
Mr. Amorose, yes
Mr. Campbell, yes
Mayor Rozanski: Entertain a motion to approve the minutes of the June 17, 1991
meeting.
A. C. Strip: So moved.
Mr. Amorose: Second.
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Mayor Rozanski: Any discussion or comments Hearing none.
Mr. Campbell, yes
Mayor Rozanski, yes
Mr. Strip, yes
Mr. Amorose, yes
Mayor Rozanski: Any correspondence Next we have comments from visitors on any
item not on tonight's agenda.
My name is Judy Weary and I'm here representing the 14-year old World Series
Tournament Committee and I have with me two of our guests who are a little bashful
about coming in, they're 14 years old. They're on the defending champion team from
Puerto Rico who, for three of the last four years, has won the World Series; and the one
year they didn't, they placed second. We'd like to invite everyone here to come out.
The Round Robin part of the series ends tomorrow. The Double Elimination part begins
on Thursday. We have some very talented young men. They speak four different
languages. These men are from Puerto Rico, they speak Spanish. They are living in
homes of Dublin residents and we're having a good time with them. We're here to
invite all of you and certainly all of the press. We have not seen as many people out
there as we would like to see out there; this is good baseball. These kids have a good
time. They vary in size from 4'11" to 6'7". They are very talented. Some very tight
games and also some runaway games. The games start at 8:30 in the morning and go
until about 8:30 at night, running five games at a time, and we have more than 400
young men from 16 states and 4 countries with us. And so we would appreciate it if
you'd show your support and come out and cheer the Dublin team on. Dublin is host.
This is the first time in the history of the tournament that the host team, which is not a
team that has to qualify to come, all the other teams have to win their regional
tournaments to come. The host team is automatically in the tournament. But never has
a host team made it into the championship bracket to play for the championship; and if
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Dublin wins tonight, it will be in that championshIp bracket. It will be the tIrst time in
many years that that's happened. So even our own local team needs support. We'd like
to see you all out there. I have programs for you that have the brackets and when the
games are played. Until, of course, they finish up the Round Robin and know the rank
of each team, we won't know which teams are in these brackets. But come on out and
find out. Thank you.
Mayor Rozanski: Thank you. Let me add to this, I've been at many of the games
throughout the last few days. I think you will see some of the finest baseball you're
going to see in this part of the country. You have teams from Brazil, Puerto Rico,
Canada, Hawaii, Texas, California, Washington. These are all top teams and they play
tremendous baseball out there. We had a no-hitter pitched last night by a Dublin team.
They did a tremendous job. It is a shame that the press is not covering this. We've sent
faxes to all the papers everyday of the scores and we can't get anything into the papers.
These kids need our support. They're playing hard, they're having a good time out
there, they're representing their countries. And if we could support them, it would be
a great thing for them. Gentlemen, would you like to stand up and be recognized I've
watched you play ball, you're both tremendous. (Applause) And good luck in your
coming games. Any other comments from citizens for items not on tonight's agenda.
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My name is Nancy St. Clair, I live at 6164 Karrer Place. I would just like to go on the
record as stating that the odors that are being generated by the City of Dublin pumping
station is still very much a problem that needs to be addressed. Residents in the area are
still routinely experiencing odor. The problem was so bad last night, it literally
awakened my husband and I in the middle of the night, and that's pretty bad. I know
that there have been some improvements made to the pumping station this summer in an
attempt to correct the problem. But those improvements have not been successful and
I'm concerned that, at this point, when I ask what additional steps are being taken to
correct the problem, that the answer is simply that the City will continue to investigate
the problem. I think that there needs to be a very explicit directive to an individual or
to a group of individuals to actively and aggressively pursue a solution to the problem;
and I would just look to Council to help towards that end. Thank you.
Ms. Maurer: Ms. St. Clair, I received in my fax machine a letter from our Director of
Development, Terry Foegler, which was addressed to you, thanking you for gathering
the information so that they could take action on it. There's no question that the Director
of Development already has that responsibility and has been extremely active for this
year-and-a-half work on that pump station and assure that the odor problem is taken care
of. I guess that I'm concerned about your implications, for the purpose of the public and
the press, that somehow we aren't working and we haven't directed anybody to do
anything about it, because exactly the opposite is true. The City Development
Department has had that mandate to follow through on that.
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Nancy St. Clair: I appreciate what you're saying. My sense is that, at this point, I'm
not aware that anyone is actively and maybe Terry can correct me if I'm wrong, but I
don't know that there is anybody that is actively pursuing this problem at this time; and
I just feel that there are people in the area that feel that we need to make City Council
and City staff aware that this is a very serious ongoing problem and, I don't know,
maybe you can correct me if Woolpert, or if there are still consultants that are actively
pursuing a solution.
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Terry Foegler: Yes, we still are working with Woolpert Consultants. I think just to
update Council on what the first strategy was when the notice last spring came that odors
were reoccurring, we first asked the consultant to identify any potential sources and to
look at how the odor equipment was operating. At that time, it was confirmed that the
readings from the odor control equipment was well within the accepted levels for which
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be leaking prior to them going through the odor control equipment. And we identified
what we believe were the only three potential sources and basically came up with
solutions to eliminate all those possible sources; sealing all the trap doors that go into the
base, and the series of things like that would keep odor from leaking out. Those actions
have been taken; I believe the final trap still may be waiting to be installed; but it has
been taped up so that no air leaks from it. Once those possible sources of odor are
eliminated that seem obvious, then it's going to take more detailed investigation, either
like verification that the odor control equipment, even though the readings are all proper,
are doing what they're supposed to do, and those types of things. So we've now asked
the consultant to look at those second level kinds of issues that are obvious sources; and
the reason we can't tell you what he's going to do, because all the indicators are that the
equipment is working properly, everywhere that odor could leak from, obviously has
been sealed up. We haven't lessened our priority in terms of looking at the facility and
trying to find potential sources.
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Nancy St. Clair: If people in the community have questions about progress, who should
we direct our concerns to Should it be the City through you, Terry, or do we have a
contact at Woolpert that we can --
Mayor Rozanski: You should direct your comments to our City Manager and he will
pass them on to the appropriate sources.
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I'm Nina Strnad, 6112 Karrer Place. Apparently a preliminary listing of tonight's
agenda was in the paper that had listed a discussion of the West Bank Sewer Alternate,
and since it's not on the agenda, I just want to respond to some of the comments that
were made in the press that there was no evident public opposition to having a gravity
feed sewer pipe in between residential homes and the Scioto River. I think that's false;
I think there's a great deal of public opposition. I really appreciate all the time and
thought and care that Council has put into this decision and I would welcome any of you
to contact me at your convenience. I would love to walk part of that area with anybody
who would be interested, just to at least see the number of trees and everything that
would be torn out to do such a thing.
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Mayor Rozanski: This topic will be on at the next Council meeting. When we discussed
it the last time, we said we would discuss this on the second meeting in August, at which
time our Legal staff would have an opinion for us, plus our consultants would have
information back to us. I'm not sure how the paper came out that it was going to be at
this meeting, but it is scheduled for the next Council meeting, the second one in August.
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Joel Campbell: Along that line, I think it might be a good idea because I was out of
town at the last meeting, but I became aware that there was possibly this discussion as
you just mentioned and I was surprised when I heard that there wasn't any opposition to
the line along the river, knowing what kind of litigation and difficulty took place last
time; and I guess what I would hope is that, as a part of the preparation for these
discussions two weeks from now, that we make an attempt to contact those people along
the river whose lots and yards would be directly affected to see what, in fact, their
opinions are. My guess is, as you just indicated, which doesn't surprise me, that there's
going to be more opposition out there than we originally might have thought. But I
guess as a part of this study, please make a check to find out what the people who would
directly be affected would have to say about it. Because I know when it happened a
decade or so ago south of there, there was a tremendous amount of difficulty and
probably five or ten years of litigation over it. The principles may not be the same
today, but the feelings might be. So it's worth looking into.
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Nina Strnad. lhere's one other issue 1 might add that you should be sensitIve to, and
that is that the Waterway's Task Force has just started working on the Griggs Reservoir
and one of the things that they are evaluating is Columbus City land and whether it will
be greenspace, or passive use park, or recreational park. That's why I would invite
anybody to come out and look because this area is very highly naturalized, and it's very
hard to even get through on foot, and it's a number one candidate for untouched, wild
land.
Terry Foegler: Could I ask for a little clarification Is it a directive at this point that
staff should formally survey the potentially affected property owners at this time
Mayor Rozanski: I think they should be made aware that there will be discussion about
it.
Terry Foegler: Notify them of the meeting essentially. And this would include residents
and non-residents, I assume.
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I'm Dick Holgate and I live at 5940 Dublin Road. I'm not a resident of the City of
Dublin, I'm in one of those Washington Township spaces. But I'm here, not necessarily
in opposition to those just expressed, the opinion of the lady who just spoke. I
unfortunately have a diametric view. I live on the river, the alternate plans present
greater hazard to the community than the original gravity plan developed many years
ago. It is engineeringly sound, it's a low-cost plan, and there are a number of other
things that speak to it. I know there are a number of people concerned about the river,
any construction would be minimized, and I believe the environment would recover very
quickly from any incursion. I'd like to point out a couple of things to those residents
that haven't studied the plans. Regardless of where you put the main sewer, there will
be auxiliary sewers run along the river and if the main sewer is up above to any degree,
you have pumping stations all along the river to take care of those residences that are
downstream from the main sewer point. You don't notice this on the plan unless you
read it very, very carefully. But any of the other alternatives call for auxiliary piping
and pumping stations along the river. Now you will have essentially the same problem
that you're having with the main pumping station right now, that is of odors and possible
pumping station malfunctions. I just wanted to say there are some residents, admittedly
not in the City of Dublin, who do favor the riverbank proposal. And perhaps if there's
a scenic problem, this is for consultants to do but the original plan called for a certain
level along the river which was dictated by the remainder of the system; since it was a
gravity-fed system, it had to be "X" feet high. Dublin is building a tunnel that is, what,
50 or 80' down, and I subject to you that perhaps it could be re-engineered with little or
no extra cost 15 or 20' lower, still meet the tunnel, and preserve the scenic beauty of the
river and not be an eyesore. All that has to be, you people are all great, and you all see
all these things, and I thank you for listening.
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Mayor Rozanski: Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you don't take our non-enthusiasm on
this issue as an attitude of not caring about this topic. This topic is scheduled, it was
discussed at the last Council meeting that we were going to discuss this at our second
meeting in August. So to have open debate or open discussion at this time would be kind
of fruitless. We reserve our comments at that time when we have all the information that
we are having prepared and plan on having for our availability.
My name is Barbara Webb, I live at 5241 Locust Hill Lane, and three or four years ago
I attended these many open meetings on this same problem. I would simply ask that the
reports that were done by a top, independent consultant hired by Columbus after this
discussion, that these be made available in our library or someplace here so that all of
us can read these again and see what was said, and this has just been a couple of years
ago. Because this is what Columbus said, "Corridor A along the river is the best plan"
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Brinkerhoff firm, which is known internationally, was hired, did this intense survey,
came back, said the river was unequivocally the worst place, it was environmentally
unsound, it was socially unsound because it is going to be tied up in lawsuits, etc. and
it would end up being the most expensive by the time reconstruction, etc., was done.
Now as for these plans, no one seems to know where they are, I would like to be able
to look at them. Columbus, we've talked to those people and they say Dublin has them.
So I think these should be made available to us, and like I say, have them in the library
or someplace where we can go and review these before the next meeting.
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Mayor Rozanski: Mrs. Webb, who have you asked for them.
Barbara Webb: I have talked to Bob Simmonbacker today and he said at Public Utilities,
City of Columbus, and they assured me that you have these plans. Michael Long was
head of that when we had these hearings, and we had meetings in Dublin, we had
meetings in Hilliard; and members of, your City Manager was on this committee and we
were assured this whole thing was solved then; and now we're coming back and
reinventing the wheel and many of us are very disturbed to see the waste of time. If this
plan could be put out and we could review it and everyone can see what this firm came
back with, then I think we can all come with a little more knowledge of where we're
starting from if we're going to have to go through this whole process again.
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Terry Foegler: Just by way of information, we do have copies of those on file. I've not
received request for them. We received copies of both the Parsons-Brinkerhoff study,
which was referred to in Council's meeting with our consultants, as well as the Bird and
Bull study, which preceded that, which was the first feasibility study; and we can make
copies of those available for people to borrow and take a look at. Also, realize that one
of Council's charge to the consultant that they have hired, very specifically, was to
review the studies that had been done, take a close look at them, and report back as part
of their analysis, what were the findings from those reports.
Mayor Rozanski: Terry, if you could have a couple copies of each at the front desk so
people could sign them out for a short period of time, as many people as possible could
see them, we'd appreciate it.
Terry Foegler: Okay, we'll make those available here at the main desk, with Linda.
Mayor Rozanski: Before we proceed with tonight's agenda, I'd entertain a motion to go
into Executive Session for a short five minutes on a legal issue.
Dave Amorose: So moved.
Joel Campbell: Second.
Mr. Strip, yes
Ms. Maurer, yes
Mr. Amorose, yes
Mayor Rozanski, yes
Mr. Campbell, yes
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Mayor Rozanski: We will be temporarily adjourning for about five minutes. We will
reconvene.
Mayor Rozanski: At this time, we will reconvene the meeting. Mayor Rozanski
presented the Dublin Dolphins a Proclamation for winning the N-E-W Swim
Competition.
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Mayor Rozanski. With that, we'H move on to our formal agenda which IS the Ihird ~
Reading of Ordinance 09-91 by title only please. I
Ordinance 09-91 - Ordinance for a Change of Zoning on a 2.48 Acre Tract Located
on the West Side of Sawmill Road Approximately 750' South of Hard Road (COT A).
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Terry Foegler: Any questions from staff, we're available to respond to them. I think
the Public Hearings have been held. Bobbie Clarke of our Zoning staff is available to
answer questions Council may have regarding this request.
Mayor Rozanski: Council have any questions of our staff Anyone who would like to
say anything on this topic
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My name is Tobias Elsass, I represent Mrs. Abey, who is the owner of the land in
question. Previously this Council has been provided with an extensive memorandum
which sets forth the applicable facts and law on this particular case as to COTA's rights
as an eminent domain entity. I just wish to refresh Council's, to one particular case, it
was cited on the fourth page, Brownfield vs. state, which is very clear where it says,
"Where reasonable efforts to comply with land use restrictions have been made to no
avail, the state may proceed with proposed use unless enjoined by a court of competent
jurisdiction which determines that the state is not entitled to immunity from local zoning
restrictions". As you've seen in my memorandum, our conclusion is that COTA has a
right to take this property and to use it as it wishes, as it has made every effort to
comply with this Council's determination. I would again make one last plea on behalf
of Mrs. Abey to please put your restrictions on COTA, which I have previously
indicated, they are willing to adhere to, to adhere to your maintenance requirements, to
adhere to your clean-up requirements, to your landscaping requirements; but please for
the benefit of the citizens of Dublin, please approve this. Thank you.
Barbara Maurer: Mr. Elsass, since our last meeting, have you done any work with
COT A on developing a landscaping plan that would meet some of the objections of the
Council members, or the left-hand turn issues that have been raised in terms of people
getting out of the lot in the evening
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Tobias Elsass: If I may Councilmember Maurer, refresh your memory, COT A, with
their rights of eminent domain had indicated previously that they do have a right, they
can go to Bright Road, obtain an access from this proposed lot off the back of it to
Bright Road across from Milco property, which would give them an access to go north
for the buses and the few citizens to go north, to make a left-hand turn to go north in the
evenings. In the mornings, as COT A represented at the previous presentation of this
case, it is not their studies, to show that the citizens that ride the bus do not backtrack.
As a result, the majority of the people who would be using this Park and Ride would be
headed south anyway on Sawmill Road, and this being on the west side, there would not
be turns against traffic in the morning; and in the evenings, COT A has represented to
you that they would be willing by eminent domain to take access to Bright Road to
prevent that hazard on Sawmill Road in the evenings. This has all been worked out
previously. As to the landscaping issue, I believe COT A even acknowledged that they
would agree to the performance bond that Mr. Smith represented as an idea at the last
Council meeting to adhere to your requirements of maintenance and preservation of this
as the standards of Dublin.
Barbara Maurer: Steve, is it possible for the Council to have, as a condition of the
zoning, that the left-hand turn access to Sawmill Road be provided; or is that something
we can't add at this point unless they've already put it in there
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happening, we do zonings all the time, condition upon certain events. However, I
suppose it would take an amendment to the application and that the zoning would not be
in place then until that condition was met. A simple answer to your question is yes, you
can put conditions on zoning, you do them all the time, that the zoning really does not
become effective until those conditions are met. That's never been a part of any
rezoning plan that I've seen; there's been discussion about it, just as there was discussion
about the performance bond. I have heard from no one from COT A since our last
meeting.
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Barbara Maurer: It appears to me that there is an unsecured promise out there, but there
is no guarantee. I guess then I'm concerned about that. Has the Planning Department
had any ----
Terry Foegler: I think our one concern on that would be, and I'll let Bobbie jump in if
she has additional comments, but for the project to effectively be enlarged and include
another piece of property with additional traffic issues associated with it, I think clearly,
that would have to have the appropriate public hearing so that the reviews and the
comments on those could be made and as a formal amendment to the application, would
be subject to the review process, the new application would be subject to.
Barbara Maurer: Now, also, is the matter of condemnation something we should discuss
in Executive Meeting, or is that a foregone conclusion that it can be done by ---
Steve Smith: I think you're talking about COTA's rights or COTA's non-rights, not
Mrs. Abey's rights.
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A. C. Strip: That's not before us tonight anyway.
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Steve Smith: It's not before us tonight. I have not heard COTA say in this chamber or
anyone else, that they will condemn any property in attempt to take it to put this Park
and Ride in. That's true, COTA can say that, I've never heard them say that.
Barbara Maurer: Then my question is, how could we put a condition on it, this owner
who is applying for this application, can't meet that condition.
Steve Smith: I think that's accurate. I don't think this owner has the right to condemn.
This present owner.
A. C. Strip: Do we have a representative from COTA here this evening Has COTA
taken the position that they would pursue this matter by taking the property by
condemnation Is that an official position of COT A
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Robert Tanner (COT A): It's not an official position tonight. We have entertained the
possibility of eminent domain, have been more than willing to work something out with
the City and have been really looking for the City's direction or cooperation in trying to
reach a resolve here. I think there are several solutions, we've just been looking for
some cooperation on which is the best solution for both of us.
A. C. Strip: Do I understand that if the zoning is not granted, COTA would continue
to pursue this property by condemnation Is that COTA's position
Robert Tanner: I can't say that that's our position without having ---
A. C. Strip: I thought I heard Mr. Elsass say that, and I'm asking you to confirm what
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memorandum that suggests that we can do that.
A. C. Strip: I understand that. I'm asking you --
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Robert Tanner: My board of directors, the COTA Board of Directors would have to
meet on that subject and discuss that at length.
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A. C. Strip: Has there been such a meeting
Robert Tanner: We have talked about the possibility, we have not entertained an eminent
domain exercise pursuant to that memorandum. There's been discussion on that pursuant
to the Milco tract.
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A. C. Strip: Thank you, appreciate your input. Let me say that, as I understand it, the
initial study indicated that during the peak hours, it would remove 11 % of the traffic
southbound on Sawmill Road I have to tell you, I unequivocally reject that argument as
pure nonsense. I cannot for a moment accept that one car out of ten, coming south on
Sawmill Road, is going to pull into a Park and Ride and take a bus downtown. I've done
my own unprofessional, unofficial, unauthenticated survey of people, and I cannot for
a moment, accept the fact that one car in ten is going to ride a bus downtown and pull
off of Sawmill Road, much less go to 18% in a few years. I unequivocally reject that
argument. Secondly, I think that is going to create more clutter, not less clutter. I
understand your argument that you have the right of eminent domain to take additional
property so people can get out of there if they want to turn northbound at the end of the
day; that's provided that COTA doesn't have a financial problem at the future time,
doesn't have the funds to take it, etc. I just don't have the faith, frankly, in what I've
heard. I think it is a bad example of spot zoning. Furthermore, I want to say what's on
my mind even though this may not be popular Mrs. Abey, I think as a neighbor, we try
and do everything we can do to help our fellow neighbors. And we've demonstrated that
on more than one occasion where we've taken property for one item or another. I think
we've demonstrated that on Avery Road and other places as well. Before coming in
tonight, we were essentially told, "my client doesn't get what she wants, then we will
sue you". That really doesn't warm the cockles of a council member's heart. And I will
just speak lawyer to lawyer and remind you of a recent case that has just come out of the
Federal Court, I think such a lawsuit would be frivolous, and so there's no
misunderstanding when that lawsuit is filed, to whatever expense the City should begone
to, assuming the court finds it a frivolous lawsuit, we will seek equal amount of damages
back. I don't think that is the kind of presentation that we want to hear, and being
threatened with a lawsuit is not going to change my vote either way. It's on my chest
and may not be a popular thing to say, but I want you to know exactly how I think.
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Mayor Rozanski: Mr. Strip, I appreciate your saying those remarks, it expresses my
feelings as well. Council have any other questions
Joel Campbell: Just a couple thoughts, number one, like I'm sure everybody here is,
everyone is sympathetic to the position of Mrs. Abey, she's in a position, just calling a
spade, a spade, I assume here to make some fairly substantial dollars on the sale of the
property. However, no one is trying to deny a person the opportunity to use their
property as they see fit. And COTA is a beneficial entity for Central Ohio, I don't think
there's any question about that either. The problem is, that this particular site, again
common sense, I think we're entitled to use that when we make our decisions, common
sense just doesn't indicate that traffic coming to an already congested area during peak
times, is going to solve any of the problems. As we've said in the Planning and Zoning
process, and I said it in the beginning, I looked at my notes here from the April 4
meeting, I said "the proposed Park and Ride will draw cars to an already congested site,
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believe that. I haven't seen anything in all the documents I've reviewed that changed my
mind on that. It just seems to me that common sense would indicate if you're trying to
keep traffic from increasing, you put it in a location that's different than where the
congestion already exists. And if COT A does indeed have the right of eminent domain,
and that's something even though I'm a lawyer, I haven't done any research on that
topic, but if you do, I think one of the elements of the condemnation or appropriation
proceedings is that you have to demonstrate that there is a need and, in fact, this is the
proper thing to be doing. And it seems to me that if you're going to have that eminent
domain ability, throughout this process the indication was that you didn't have any choice
but this was your only site you could get. If you have other eminent domain locations
that you could pursue, not only on the west side of Sawmill, but also on the east side,
because there was at least one previous site that was discussed a couple years ago, as I
understand it, which was never pursued either, those areas farther to the north which
would put people out of cars, into buses, and take them through this area rather than
putting them in cars and bringing them to the area, then putting them in buses, and then
driving them out. It seems to me the differen~ location would be the proper thing to
pursue. I, also, would be against the application at this point.
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reasons. And I think you all received a letter from the East Side Civic Association and
their points are very good. The location is deep in the heart of the Sawmill Road
congestion. Anyone that's ever visited that area can certainly see that 1-270 is the
bottleneck. And Bright Road is certainly the first intersection north of 1-270 in Dublin.
I feel that as the East Side Civic Association does, that it does not conform to the
recently adopted Bright Road Area Study in terms of land use, and the study shows that
the area is clearly office use; and certainly a Park and Ride is an inappropriate use in
office setting. I have seen no real traffic study submitted with this that would prove that
it would improve the traffic flow. I truly don't believe, I used some common sense, I
don't think it will work. I think, no study on the origin of your riders was presented to
us, how do we know where these riders are coming from, how many are living south of
1-270 that would have to travel north and make a left-hand turn across oncoming traffic
into this site in the morning. I think this use is a strictly peak-hour use with no left turn
capabilities. This will force the traffic to use a private property and driveway to exit this
site at peak hours. And if truly your riders are coming from north of this site, you
would force them to turn south on Sawmill Road, turn in Bright Road, make that turn
in Bright Road that so many people do that have to make U-turns on Sawmill Road; in
fact, there's a groove worn in the berm of Bright Road now where so many people are
forced to make that U-turn; and then you're going to put them right back into the traffic
signal and make a left-hand-turn going north on Sawmill Road. It is truly spot zoning
and it certainly does not help the Bright Road situation out at all. Those are a few of the
comments that I have on the matter.
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Barbara Maurer: Well, I am truly conflicted about this. As a member, or as appointed
representative of Dublin on Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission and as someone
who has looked at other cities and seen what they had to do in order to accommodate
growing traffic, I am strongly in favor of supporting a mass-transit system. I don't think
too many of you have been on 270 between Sawmill and 71 around peak hour at night;
when I come back from downtown and come across there, you can hardly move. And
you can hardly move going the other way either. So there is already a general traffic
problem of getting from one suburb to another, of getting from the northwest area to
downtown. I think that Park and Rides are one of several pieces of solution to that.
And I think that when we say, "Gee, this isn't the right place, it should be some other
place", and we talk about those people on the other side of Sawmill and suggest that
they're the only ones who are going to take the bus, that there's an undercurrent of an
attitude here that our neighbors may find rather repugnant, that we don't care about their
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have lots and lots of people who need to use, and will need in the future to use, a mass
transit system unless we're all going to sit for hours on the freeway. And believe me,
I've lived in the Los Angeles area when it was first starting to be congested and I can
tell you what that's like. On the other hand, I am kind of concerned because of the, now
I don't think it's spot zoning, I don't know where else you'd put a Park and Ride unless
it's in commercial. You don't put it in the middle of residential, you don't put it in
somebody else's lot like the shopping center lot because they can turn the spigot off and
on at will, as they did in Northland. When they decide they didn't want the buses to
come anymore, they just took away their rights to go there. So I think it's legitimate that
we should support COTA's getting their own setting that's secure for the future. But I
am concerned because of the traffic movement and how people will get in and out of
there. And I disagree with Council members, I agree with the traffic engineers, it's
going to be people who are coming from the north and go past there, and would
ordinarily go past there on their way to work that will use it. I wouldn't go out of my
way, go north in order to get south, and I don't think that people who are south of 270
will do that, but I do think people north of 270, and there will be a lot of them in the
future, will use it. But I have a real tough time figuring out, as David just described,
how they're going to get back on Sawmill to go back north in the evening. And that is
a major concern to me. I had envisioned this as being at the corner of Bright Road
where it would be much easier to move in and out. And I would not want to have it in
a situation where roaring traffic goes past residences for an hour or so every night in
order to get out of there. However, there is probably a solution to this. There is
probably a solution which if COT A has the right to condemn property, they can certainly
take it from other places that would not affect the immediate neighbors to the west, so
that people could get back out into the road; and I'm certainly thinking of the lot on the
corner and the area next to Bright Road which would make a very easy access. I don't
think it's spot zoning, as I said. It would be spot zoning if it was in the middle of a
residential neighborhood, but where else do you put one, other than in commercial I'm
going to reluctantly have to vote against this; I would really like to see COT A have a
good place to have a Park and Ride. I think it's where you have congestion that you
need Park and Rides. In the long run, we'll have dozens of buses moving in and out of
this area at night and in the morning. So I am very conflicted about it, I'd like to see
a Park and Ride, I'd like to see it well-done, I'd like to see it in a place where it is going
to be compatible with the other uses and the neighbors needs. And so I wish you well
in trying to find a way to do that.
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Tobias Elsass: I'd just like to thank Councilmember Maurer, appreciate the support,
that's really all we were looking for. We came in looking for a partnership, a way to
help the community. I applaud your support; that kind of creative thinking is something
that could have helped us. We didn't come in as adversaries, we would have liked to
had that support from the early going. Thank you.
Barbara Maurer: Let me just comment that we have limited amount of control, too, even
though we're a city, we have limited, we can't make people do things they don't want
to do. And so we have within our limits, a certain amount that we can do; and you have
things that you can do, probably some that we can't do.
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Tobias Elsass: If Council will remember, that's how we started this application. We
wanted to cooperate. The problem is, in this particular case, I think this Council has
forgotten that this application has asked to change from residential to commercial, not
to change just for COT A. Are you going to stop Mrs. Abey from ever changing to
commercial, is that what this Council's saying Or is this Council saying if we'd have
been here with an office building application, you'd have approved it Is that what this
Council is saying This application is to be commercial from residential. You approved
Schottenstein a thousand feet up the road, but you won't approve Mrs. Abey. So are you
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to go from residential to commercial, not just for COT A. So is she to sell it to nobody
else now Is that the problem Is that what this Council's going to start controlling all the
Dublin citizens That's our concern. And one last thing, Mr. Strip, I'm very familiar
with the Ohio Revised Code 2323.51, and also that it goes both ways. A frivolous
defense also could result in plaintiffs fees being paid. Thank you.
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Joel Campbell: I will move that this Council affirm the action of the Planning and
Zoning Commission which was to deny the request in the ordinance.
A. C. Strip: Second the motion.
Mayor Rozanski: Any discussion or comments on the motion Hearing none,
Ms. Maurer, a very reluctant yes.
Mr. Campbell, yes
Mr. Strip, yes
Mr. Amorose, yes
Mayor Rozanski, yes
Mayor Rozanski: Next, we have Second Reading of Ordinance 51-91 by title only
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Ordinance 51-91 - An Ordinance for Appropriations Amendment for Cable TV
Consulting Services.
Terry Foegler: No additional information available presented at the last meeting. I don't
think there's any emergency nature involved with this, so if Council wants to hold this
over for a Second Reading, that's fine. I do believe it was discussed at the last meeting,
that the additional $9,000 was for the survey portion of the consulting work and that the
entire sum of money was expected to be recouped through the renegotiated franchise
agreement.
Mayor Rozanski: Any questions for Terry at this time We'll hold this over for a Third
and Final Reading at our next regularly scheduled Council meeting. Next, we have First
Reading of Ordinance 52-91 by title only please.
Ordinance 52-91 - Ordinance Amending Section 2 (Members) Ordinance 35-91 and
declaring it an emergency.
Dave Amorose: I'll introduce it.
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Steve Smith: The only change here is that when this Records Commission was passed,
we neglected to, somehow it slipped by without a term for members, and so Mr. Harding
picked up on that, and that's what you're doing here, you're just adding a term for the
members. Thank you.
A. C. Strip: I would move the adoption of the ordinance, move to waive the three-time
reading rule and treat as an emergency.
Joel Campbell: Second
Mayor Rozanski: And for clarification, we would be appointing a person for a three-
year term. Any discussion or comments on the ordinance On the emergency nature,
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Hearing none,
Mr. Campbell, yes
Mr. Strip, yes
Mr. Amorose, yes
Mayor Rozanski, yes
Ms. Maurer, yes
Mayor Rozanski: That concludes the formal part of tonight's agenda. Next, we move
on to "Others". The first item is dedication plat for Bradenton Avenue extension.
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Bobbie Clarke: The developer of the Tuttle Crossing Development platted this road
initially as a private drive. It was inspected and built in accordance with all the
specifications of Dublin for a public street; however, at the time it was constructed, it
was private property. Now that the road is completed, as I said, meeting all Dublin's
specifications, the developer would dedicate it as a public road. This plat would merely
be the City, excepting that public street. The street is not exactly a surprise to us, it's
been part of the traffic study for the Tuttle Crossing interchange ever since its inception.
This is a critical intersection and it's one that the City would like to see as a public
intersection rather than a private one. Any questions from Council
Discussion on the street meeting all City standards and the exact location of same ensued.
Joel Campbell: Just had a question, this has kind of bothered me on and off over the
months and then this thing came across my desk this last week or so and it struck me
again - on the north side of Tuttle Crossing, we have no curbs; the south side there is
a curb. Is there some magic to why that exists that way Supposedly if I recall correctly,
we agreed to transfer the maintenance and all that at Tuttle Crossing Road to the City
of Columbus, and the curb that includes this particular section is, is there a reason why
we don't have a curb and they do
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Paul Willis: Some considerable time ago, and I'm thinking it was probably 1 to 1-1/2
years ago, there was some discussion here in the Council among the members of Council
about that very question. As I recall the situation, a portion of the north side of Tuttle
Road down near Frantz is within the City of Dublin and the remaining part of it is within
the City of Columbus. As I recall, Council took affirmative action to transfer that
portion that was within Dublin and within the Tuttle Road right-of-way, to the City of
Columbus for Police protection, fire protection, and maintenance responsibilities. The
curb, I think there may have been a couple things that went into, principly one thing that
went into the consideration about installation of curb along Tuttle Road; I believe on the
south side, which is perceived to be the Columbus side, there was some restriction in
available room to do the construction because of the apartments there; and in order to
conserve space, they constructed a curb to limit the amount of land needed for the
construction of the roadway. As I recall, that's the principle element that went into that
discussion and that decision.
Mayor Rozanski: Maybe I could add a little bit more to it. The road was planned for
open ditches on both sides. The south side is partially curbed and partially open, and as
Mr. Willis stated, where the apartments are, the apartments sit lower than the road, and
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have rolled right in the front door of the apartments. So that's the reason that stretch is
curbed and none of the rest is. Any other questions or comments from Council I'd
entertain a motion to accept the dedication of this road.
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Mayor Rozanski: Any further discussion or comments Hearing none,
Mayor Rozanski, yes
Ms. Maurer, yes
Mr. Amorose, yes
Mr. Strip, yes
Mr. Campbell, yes
Mayor Rozanski: Next, we have the rental of the Gockenbach property.
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Terry Foegler: Staff has nothing to formally request of Council at this time. We
wanted to formally make Council aware, as I believe we've made the Finance Committee
aware, that we officially took occupancy of this property within the last two weeks. The
property has been vacated. After consultation with the City Attorney, the swimming pool
on-site, which was viewed as a significant hazard, has been removed. It will be some
question as to what should be done with the property at this point on an interim measure.
If Council prefers to do anything other than have staff investigate the options and report,
we'll be happy to do that. But we wanted to make Council aware of that, maybe give
that some thought, and give us some direction as we put together some recommendations
to come back to Council with.
Mayor Rozanski: Just to give you something to think about on the property, it will be
sitting there for several years before any construction or anything begins, so might have
some use.
A. C. Strip: I just wonder if it wouldn't, thinking out loud, wouldn't be just wise to do
the professional thing, and that is list it with a broker, one we pick by lottery or
whatever, and let the professional handle it from here, rather than burden staff and
burden ourselves.
Terry Foegler: Rental as an option is one, and I think demolition is another, using it as
interim park space or open space or whatever. But I think if the decision is made to rent
it, because of all the issues, that's certainly one that we wouldn't have any objection to.
A. C. Strip: Not a motion, just a thought, that I want to get it on the table along with
our other thoughts.
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Barbara Maurer: Could we have the Parks Department take a quick look at it and see
what the issues are there in terms of what kind of use it would be able, the other side,
we kind of blocked that with mounds and things. Are they still using it for fishing on
the other side
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into the flood plain, parking could probably be done in the area where the house is.
Barbara Maurer: I'm not sure what our responsibility as Council is, it seems to me that
if that area has in the past been one that's been very popular for fishing and if it's
something that we can do without a lot of expenditure, I don't want to get into a half
million dollar park, I would just like to see, if the other side is providing all that's
needed in terms of fishing access, then I don't think we should spend the money to raze
the house, but maybe use it as an income-producing property and have a tenant in there.
But I think it's worth taking a look at; on the other hand I don't want it sitting vacant so
long that it becomes tempting to vandals, because that always happens if you have a
vacant house. So if we could have a short, quick look at it, the cost benefit analysis ----
Terry Foegler: We've asked Parks to take a look at it. We'll also have the Building
Division staff take a look just to see what needs to be done to the building because a
number of things were removed in order to make it habitable, just to present the cost of
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Mayor Rozanski: Next we have discussion regarding the Northwest Sanitary Sewer Plan.
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Terry Foegler: Just by way of overview, I think at the last meeting, Council will
remember, there was a last in a series of many meetings on this request; it had gone
through meetings that, I think, started with affected property owners on a Saturday
morning along Riverside; later to a public meeting with all of the property owners in the
Northeast Quad area; again to the Planning Commission where, I believe, notice was sent
to all the affected owners in the Northeast Quad area; had come to Council at your last
meeting. I think there was again some discussion. Mr. Parkinson represented the
applicants' concerns and backgrounded the study. And I think Council at that time, if
you'll remember, had a concern because that particular study did not get advertised in
the paper, and felt hesitant to adopt it at that time for that reason. Steve Mack again is
available this evening to answer any questions from staff side, and I believe Mr.
Parkinson is in the audience as well.
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this several times, so I'm available, both Bob and I are available to answer any questions
that Council may have or any questions that may arise out of Citizen Comments tonight.
Joel Campbell: I guess I could probably just say one thing. Again, as I said earlier I
wasn't here at the second meeting in July, in which some of this was discussed, although
I've been through a number of discussions on this matter already as a result of the
Planning and Zoning process and the Land Use Committee. I had a conversation with
Mr. Stoychef today who is here, who has on several occasions presented a proposed
alternative essentially providing or proposing a gravity line approximately 200' east of
the roadway and that had been included in a couple of the previous studies and
considered and essentially ruled out. And he asked me to look at the situation again
today to some extent, which we did. I kind of got a handle on what his motivation was
for the proposal which I, quite frankly, previously did not quite have a grip on why he
was proposing the way he was proposing. And he also expressed concern that the vote
would be handled tonight by less that a full Council in view of the fact that I think I can
say very candidly, Mr. Stoychefreceives the two absent members here to be among the
more strong advocates of gravity versus force main sewers. I told him that I would at
least throw out the possibility of a request for a tabling of this issue until the meeting
when they both would be here, which I understand the first time we're going to have a
full Council present would be the first meeting in September, and I will do that; if all of
you feel that's inappropriate, fine; if you feel that's appropriate, that's fine. I know
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on for six months now or more this round, and I think he has some concern with that.
I'm assuming that staffs position is reflected by what Terry indicated. I certainly made
no commitment to Mr. Stoychef one way or the other; what the outcome of that would
be, I merely told him I would express his position, and certainly he's here and if he has
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myself. Our Civic Association has not taken an official position on this but I will hope
that we can get together and have a vote on a pump station as opposed to gravity sewer.
The big question is why am I here Just because I love Dublin and I want to do what's
best for Dublin. Pump stations really turn me off, I know that we've had mucho
problems. I've been down to the pump station, the big pump station next to the river.
I don't like the smell that comes from it and certainly not along beautiful Riverside
Drive. One preventable, I think that we should try to get rid of a pump station. I know
in my heart, I'm not an engineer, but I know in my heart, it is possible. I talked to
Jason Coffey, who is a worker for Zande, and he said it's also possible, but it may be
more costly. The plan that I had presented previously was not exactly the plan that
seemed to be passed around. In fact, I had the topal map of what was happening and I
asked Mr. Parkinson if he saw it and he said he never saw it. So the point was that my
plan was to have the sewer line go along Riverside Drive and right at the hump, which
is at Tonti, go down to a level that it would go, say 12' down at Riverside Drive at
Tonti, and then keep it at a gentle .004 slope and then pass Tonti, going north past the
DeBloom property, or around the DeBloom property headed uphill, this is at an 830
elevation, and I have, I'm not an engineer, I don't know that much about it, but I know
after talking to two different engineers that it is possible. So I've talked to Steve Mack
and he helped me to determine that the elevation drop for the whole area is 36', while
the allowable drop with the .004 factor is 34'. So I know that is possible. The problem
was daylighting; the daylighting, as I talked to Mr. Willis, is at the area north of Tonti.
At that area north of Tonti, if we would go up into the no-build zone and put the gravity
sewer trunkline at a 45 degree angle going uphill and bypassing the ravines, I saw by
walking it, that there is about a 3 or 4 foot difference, if you're up 200 feet. So I know
it's possible but I just want to have the time so that we could look at it. I'd like to walk
it with some of the Council members. I talked to Mr. Amorose about it and he was nice
enough to even come to my house to talk about it; and Mr. Campbell, who is in Planning
and Zoning. It's not for me, as far as I'm concerned I'd love to have the sewer come
through because my property value will go up, but I just would rather discuss it very
thoroughly with all the Council members and tell them my position. There is another
problem that the well depths were lost. According to the plan, the well depths were
approximately, they were lost but I went to ODNR and found them, varied from 44' to
12'. According to my figures, I'm not an engineer, it is possible to do this because a
backhoe can rip out the loose limestone, if there is any, and have no blasting. This also
was not done, no borings were done. So I feel that is another necessity if my plan was
to work. All I'm asking is what Mr. Campbell asked, I hope that there is a possibility
of looking at this, and I've talked to Denise and Mr. Sutphen and they are sympathetic
to my proposal. I'm sorry I'm taking so long, I hope that maybe this can be postponed
at least until they're here and until everyone can look at my proposal thoroughly. I feel
that my proposal was never really looked at. The option of tunneling was absolutely out;
the option higher on Riverside Drive south of Tonti was never an option. I just want to
have my option thoroughly studied and also looked at by everyone before we come to
a final vote on this concept plan. Thank you.
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put a lot of work and time into this and I applaud you for that. I'm not sure whether
your system works or not; it sounds reasonable. And I know you've done a lot of work
on it and you're more familiar with it than I am. Steve, did you want to respond; or Mr.
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the engineering issues and then I'll talk more about the, for lack of a better word, the
political issues involved. What we have with the system here, we have an invert
elevation. We have an existing pipe in the vicinity of 270, that is our controlling
elevation. Typically we don't like to see a sewer line any flatter than .4 %, which means
we have a rise in the line of approximately 4' every thousand foot of pipe, whether you
run it in a straight line, whether you run it in circles, or make turns, every time you go
a thousand feet, you have an elevation rise of 4'. What we did in the proposal here, and
you all received copies of this, sometimes it's in engineering-ese, it's difficult in our
profession sometimes to write reports that are common talk for layman and I apologize
for that in advance; we write them to each other and they make all the sense in the world
to us, and then somebody who is not an engineer reads them and they want to throw
them in the trash can. What Zande did was, this proposal was brought up at the P & Z
process early on, Mr. Stoychef made his comments and we said, "Fine, we'll take a look
at it". Council directed that this study be made. Part of the study is that Zande ran a
straight gravity line up Riverside Drive, the shortest distance between two points, straight
line. And they found that by running a gravity line at the minimum sanitary slope from
the given elevation, we ran out of pipe, we daylighted going up Riverside Drive so that
a portion of the area would not be served by gravity sewer. There were two options,
one, I think, was it 30', 35', I think There's a 5' difference in, there's a graph in your
packets that shows, a colored graph shows the areas that would not be served. Acting
on Mr. Stoychefs proposal, if we shift the line, no matter where you shift it 200' in, all
you really have added is the distance of the shift and another elevation rise. In essence
what you get is, by moving the line to the east, you are now servicing less area than you
could service by leaving it along Riverside Drive. Shifting to the political aspect of it,
I guess, like I said that's maybe not a comfortable word. The issue here is not so much
from an engineering sense which system will work. Zande has done research, they're
a reputable firm in the area. Your City staff has looked at it. We went out and hired
a non-partisan third-party engineer, who is probably one of the best engineers in the area
for this type of work, who professes to be, and we've worked with him before, and does
not like pump stations. And we would all do gravity if we could. Nobody likes
mechanical pumps if you can avoid them. Jim Olausen who looked at the plans said,
"As much as I hate force mains, if your commitment is to service this area, that's the
only option you have". Staff has gotten a directive from Council that your goal was to
service the Northeast Quadrant as much as possible with a sewer system. I think what
the decision is, if that is your stated goal, the only way you're going to do that is a
combination of force main and gravity. If you choose to eliminate the option of a force
main, then wherever you locate that gravity system, you're going to be dictating the area
of service. The more you run it around, the more turns, the more bends you make in
it, it doesn't matter whether it's uphill or downhill, the longer the run, the higher the
elevation gets; the higher the elevation gets, the less houses you'll be able to service.
There's charts over on the wall, the middle chart is a good example. If you look, the
lightly shaded area to the bottom is the area that could be served by a gravity system,
pure and simple. The darker shaded area is the area that can only be served by a force
main system. Now all the area in that darker area will drain by gravity to one location
that we want a pump house that will pump it up and force it in to the gravity system.
So the decision is, all the engineers, Mr. Stoychef is, I've talked to him several times,
he tells me he has had engineers look at it, and I've told him on more than one occasion
that I would be glad to look at any report from an engineer that could refute the
conclusions we've drawn, and I have yet to see a report. I've talked to several
engineers, I've gone out on my own and talked to people in my profession that I know,
and they're drawing the same type of conclusions, that unfortunately you're stuck with,
if you want to service this area, you're stuck with the force main system. Our
responsibility as your staff then is to make sure that the system that is designed and built
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Joel Campbell: First of all I want to make it clear, I'm not advocating any position one
way or another. Secondly, my impression was exactly like Steve just indicated, that it's
almost taking the second point first, before we discuss, and I told Mr. Stoychef these
things, I'm just saying the same thing to everybody here. Effectively Mr. Stoychefs
proposal would exclude the area from coverage basically where he lives. If you move
it farther up, you exclude the area between that line and the river as being gravity-
served, which includes where he lives. And I told him that my understanding from the
planning process was that our original goal was to service as many as we possibly could,
which basically meant from Riverside Drive to the east. And the only way you would
do that would be to do the scenario that Steve has already mentioned, which is the
combination of gravity and force main. Consequently, I think, before any need to
discuss the relative merits of the positions here, I don't think mechanically or
engineering-wise, there is any question that, certainly Steve is 100% right as far as I can
tell; and I think even Mr. Stoychef recognizes that. The question is, what area do we
serve As long as we are taking the position that our goal remains to serve essentially
both the shaded areas on the map there, then there's no point in considering the
alternative that Mr. Stoychef has proposed because that area does not serve, that area
does serve those areas and maintain the force main. If you all think that there is some
reason to rethink that position and possibly exclude a portion of that, meaning Mr.
Stoychef s area, then possibly his request might have some merit to it. And I guess the
thing I also indicated to him was, to my personal way of thinking, certainly has nothing
to do with what you all might want to do, I would want to know before I said I would
be willing to exclude a portion, if I had made the value judgment that I didn't want to
serve everything in the City that I possibly could, I would want to know, not only what
Mr. Stoychefs position was in that area that would be excluded, but the other
landowners in there and future landowners. You'd almost have to record this to say that
they're waiving their claims to any kind of sewer, and I'm not sure we can do that
anyway, from a legal standpoint. I think the key thing is, that Mr. Stoychefs position,
to understand this, he intentionally wants to exclude a portion at this stage from sewer
coverage. And the question is, do we want to consider doing that or not. If we do, then
maybe we want to do some further study. If we don't and we want to stay with our
previously committed plan, then we may as well go forward the way we originally talked
about.
Dave Amorose: My concern is, if a certain group of landowners, and we're not really
sure that they speak as a unified group, which is to be outside a sanitary sewer, then
what's to keep other areas in the same quadrant from coming in and saying "Gee, let's
not join in this sewer project because we want this to remain R -1"; and then we go clear
back to where we started from, where we keep the entire quadrant without sewer,
therefore guaranteeing one unit per 40,000 square foot. I met with Jim on Saturday, we
talked for a couple hours and one of our goals right out front was, if we're going to
bring in a sewer that we want to service as much as possible of the area. I hate to start
taking pockets out and not servicing them and condemning them basically to almost to
undevelopal state, because I understand in that area which we're speaking, of deleting
from this sanitary sewer tap-ins, is an area that was grandfathered into the City of Dublin
with extremely small lots. Therefore, those lots are unbuildable at this time and this will
condemn them forever to be unbuildable.
Joel Campbell: Just to move the discussion forward, is it everyone's general opinion that
you feel we should need, I'm not disagreeing with what Dave said, if everybody feels
the same way, then we may as well just press on. I'm not opposed to what you're
saying, I just want to know if the general feeling was that that's what the goal was,
there's no reason to change it. Certainly P & Z voted the same way you just reflected.
And all I did was attempt to bring Mr. Stoychef s positions out and let everybody hear
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books until such time it is converted to long-term debt in the form of bonds. And
beyond that if you have any questions, Marsha will be happy to respond to any questions
or concerns you have at this point. But a more detailed presentation will be coming at
your next meeting. The last item that I want to make you aware of is an item we put in
your packet regarding some anticipated lighting of street intersections. As you are
aware, a while back the City had a major plan done to look at an overall street
improvement program that involved systematic lighting. We recognize that from the debt
perspective that wasn't something that made it high on the list, but we would look at
continuing to form street lighting projects out of the cash portion of your capital program
every year. We did, however, feel that at certain key intersections where you have at
least an intersection with a collector, or major collector, that the lighting of that
intersection where possible, because it can be done so cheaply on a short term basis, is
something the City should pursue in the interest of safety. Mark Jones has identified
those areas and is working with the power company who will light those intersections at
extremely low cost; and if you would like any more information on that in terms of how
we intend to proceed, we will be happy to have Mark answer any questions or talk to
you about it at this time.
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Joel Campbell: When I read the material that talked about the Cobra light style, is that
the type we approved about a year, 15 months ago, for the style we're going to in the
City.
Terry Foegler: This is not the standard fixture that we developed.
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looking at this as an interim improvement --
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Joel Campbell: A long-term plan would be to go with what we approved ---- I can't
remember the name of them, --
Mark Jones: The Chem-arc type.
Joel Campbell: Eventually you plan on doing that, is this just a stop-gap measure
Mark Jones: That's correct. This is just to hold us over until we're able to implement
the comprehensive plan.
Mayor Rozanski: Would these be going on existing poles predominantly
Mark Jones: For the most part. We're evaluating on a case by case basis; if Columbus
Southern Power can utilize the existing poles, they will; if not, a minimal amount of
additional poles will be utilized. There will be overhead wiring, but it's a very low cost;
there's really no upfront cost to the City, just the low monthly maintenance energy cost.
Mayor Rozanski: Do you need anything from us on this
Terry Foegler: No, we just wanted to make Council aware we're intending to proceed
and make sure there was no major concern with that; we feel it is an important cost-
effective safety solution. That's all I have.
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Joel Campbell: First thing, I'm going to give these to Terry when we get done, but I
got anonymously in my package of materials, someone from the City sent in a couple
dozen pages of improper condition reports which look very much like what the Council
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give them to you, Terry, and you can try to act on them, if you would please, or
distribute them on to whomever it would be appropriate. A couple of them we had
talked about in the last couple meetings; in fact, for example, the 161 plantings and the
barn situation with having to basically become our own contractor and that type of thing.
There are several other issues in here that I would appreciate your trying, like I say I'm
not totally sure who to direct the response to but I think you'll probably be able to figure
it out when you read them. Secondly, we got a fax over the weekend, the dates for
September's meetings may need to be rehashed tonight, so maybe we ought to kick that
around before we go.
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A. C. Strip: First, I want to thank Engineering, the flashing lights on Avery that were
installed, may not seem like a lot, but those are the types of things that are really
appreciated by the residents, and you score a lot of points in having done that. You
might again continue to look elsewhere where we may want to put them on flash at
midnight. Those are the type of things that make us look like we're being progressive.
Secondly, may I urge each one of you to look at those two charts that we beat to death
earlier, but the reason I'm putting so much emphasis on it, I think when you hold them
in your hands, therein lies the future, about the next five years, of the City. I mean that
is the heart, the pulse, everything of the City for the next five years. Terry put a lot of
time in there and we've never had anything quite like that, and that's gotta' be reflected;
and we owe to ourselves to really know it. The other reason I was kind of pushing to
hold off on that, and this is just a thought which may not be popular, but since we're
talking about five years worth of capital improvements dealing with a lot of lot of
dollars, I would just like you to consider whether or not it makes sense, or shouldn't in
fact, we do the following, and that is: meet as a committee, if we're going to talk about
30 plus million dollars, which will in turn, to overuse the word drive, every single
project we have for the next five years; to try and rush this through in 30 minutes worth
of discussion here or an hour's worth of discussion, I don't know how we'd do it. So
either we have to take an hour or two of the next two or three Council meetings, or
maybe just once and for all bite it off, do it right, meet on an off Monday as the Finance
Committee, press invited, and really do nothing that day but look at capital
improvements, because it's more than just spending money. There's all the
governmental units, there's future, there's everything else. That's a thought, ifit's a bad
one, I'll drop it. Lastly, maybe I'm just being an old fuss-budget on this next point, but
I look around and I see all the department heads here, and I really don't understand how
the one person who is the spokesman for the City, which is the public relations, PIO
person, can speak for the City and respond to questions when she's not here to
understand and hear what's happening and hear discussions of Council. I raised it
politely at the last meeting, thought it might be with a polite suggestion, she's not here
again now; I don't think we're asking that much, it's two evenings a month. She's the
spokesperson for the City, who is responsible to identify things that were raised here at
the meeting, and to say "that was said", or "not said", or "you misunderstood", I don't
know how that can be done when she's not here, particularly when I see all the other
staff members give up their evening, which is not fun. I'm a fuss-budget on that one,
I'll be quiet also on that point, but it really irritates me.
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Barbara Maurer: I can respond to why the PIO, Special Events Coordinator isn't here.
It's because yesterday she probably spent a good 12, 13 hours in our service at Coffman
Park doing the Irish Festival and selling, among other things, the shirts which were paid
for and designed for the City and which, I think are distinctive because they say "Dublin,
Ohio" on them for once and not just "Dublin" and we aren't so colloquial that we think
we're the only Dublin in the world or even in the United States. I went to the Irish
Festival for a little while on Saturday, and since I now understand what step-dancing is
about and that it's a wonderful family affair, that it's very much like soccer and some
of the other sports that provide a chance for children to develop wonderful skills and
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~uIllpde wilh ea~h ulheI and have a lamily uuting lugeUler. lL was, as usual, well dune,
very well planned, very well organized by the organizers, and had this year, I believe,
over 550 entrants, which is up 75 from last year. So it brought more and more people
into Dublin. And then, I wasn't able to attend the Saturday night thing, but I am told
that was filled out here in the back and that there were 50 people standing outside and
that everybody enjoyed it. I came on Sunday and it was again pretty well filled, and I
came somewhat late in the day and so people had kind of drifted out, but they were
apparently very, very busy and all of the concessions were busy, and they sold a lot of
stuff, and they had a lot of fun, and there were a lot of things I missed like the Irish
woltbounds, whom I always enjoyed seeing. But there were three Irish groups that
played and it was heavily participated in. And people commented to me on seeing the
ads for it and that they had come, and they wouldn't have otherwise come. So I think
we did bring in Dublin people to participate in something that's been here in Dublin for
four years. So I just wanted to mention that is what our Special Events Coordinator has
been doing this weekend, is coordinating a special event and probably was pooped
tonight. The second thing I wanted to mention is, I had mentioned, and I'll pass along
to you so that you can see them, pictures of Worthington's signs which are, when people
want to put up signs, they go to City Hall, and they get one, and they hang their sign on
it, and they put it on the corner of 161 and High Street, and they're extremely visible.
And, we had started talking about putting kiosks around the City, and then I mentioned
this and I think that we probably owe the staff, some guidance on what to put priority
on in terms of our attempts to replace, have something to replace the sandwich boards.
And it seems to me that something like this may do a better job of replacing the
sandwich boards than having the kiosks, which are rather expensive, hard to maintain,
and so on. And these are, according to people at City Hall in Worthington, being used
more and more, and the signs are getting more artistic and aesthetic and sophisticated as
time goes on, the signs that people create to put on them. And we might consider, if it
is legal, we're already putting signs in the right-of-way, we're letting people put
sandwich boards, whether there are some of those places in Dublin where traffic sits, like
they do at the corner of 161 and High Street, that we could use similar signs, maybe
want to have a different shape, this one obviously reflects Worthington's colonial theme.
But we might want to have a different shape, probably be trite to have shamrocks, but
something else that fits in with our theme. And they are very visible and very readable;
you can read them real quick; you don't mistake an advertisement for a play saying
"Don't Drink the Water" for some City sign saying "Don't drink the water". They're
big enough so that there's no mistaking what they're all about.
Barbara Maurer: I think it was already, the reason I mention it, Mark, I think that the
Manager suggests that we look at that and we had never looked at it ourselves.
Dave Amorose: Terry, on behalf of my eyes and the cause of better vision, I thank you
for placing commas on the capital improvements budget, those 7 and 8 figure figures run
together, especially when you get to be my age. I wanted to bring up a couple matters.
I'm somewhat concerned about the number of roadside fires that we're experiencing
during all this dry, warm weather. I've noticed there's at least 10 fires started along
Riverside Drive, which burned large sections of the newly seeded and strawed areas and
had gotten up into some people's lawns, and also into some natural stands of trees and
shrubs. And, Gene, possibly you might be able to look into that and make some
suggestions to the press or whatever on some fire prevention measures to take place
during these extremely dry periods of the year and during this extremely dry drought
we're having, of course. I wish you would because, it's not that I don't have a lot of
friends that smoke, but sometimes they forget when they throw that cigarette out the
window, it just doesn't end there. And in many states and parts of this country, it's
illegal to do so, but here they don't think they're going to set things on fire and do as
much damage as they actually do. And Jan, I was just wondering, I don't want to put
you on the spot, but the Clerk of Council recruitment, I didn't know how that was going
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or if you needed some assistance on that, or is there any way in which we can --
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Mayor Rozanski: Well, the advertisements are out, they have until the 16th of August
to return their, submit their resumes and applications; so after the 16th of August, we'll
start going through those, and working through them, and getting it down to a group of
candidates that we'll present to Council.
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A. C. Strip: Will staff narrow it down, is that the idea
Mayor Rozanski: Staff and myself will get it down to a certain group, and then we'll
present that group to Council. I understand there are about 60 --
A. C. Strip: Try about 150.
Myra Caplinger: About 150 at least, it's closer to 200.
Mayor Rozanski: We'll get it down to a workable group. --- But as I say, they have
until the 16th of August, that time was set due to some of the state publications that we
put the ads in.
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the 4th of July fireworks, and if we could get some kind of answer back on that
whenever possible.
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Steve Smith: We received a letter from the fireworks company after Janet wrote to them
and expressed the problems. That letter was an offer of a settlement that I'm not going
to discuss with you, but Mr. Hansley and I and Janet will be meeting on that, and we'll
report back to you.
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Dave Amorose: Another item, I'd certainly like to thank you on behalf of Dublin
Kiwanis for the additional $15,000 funds that you granted us this evening. I want to
assure you that we'll live up to that commitment to complete the project that Mr. Dan
Smith, who most of you know, is an architect in Dublin and he's just put in a
tremendous amount of time in getting the bids out, and gathering the bids and, actually
almost overseeing the project as it progresses on a day-to-day basis. The Kiwanis, from
time to time has, we meet every Thursday night at the Bogey Inn, but last Thursday we
met, got a work detail together and went down to the Kiwanis Spring Park, which is on
the west side of the river, and cleaned that one up a little bit. And also, we went over
and toured the new facility on the east side of the river, which is indeed going to be a
tremendous asset to the community.
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Mayor Rozanski: I only have two, brief things. One is, Paul, I appreciate your
memorandum on Blazer Parkway, it answers a lot of questions. I do have one additional
question if I could talk to you after the meeting and get it clarified, I'd appreciate it.
The other thing I have tonight is, Janet, I've been asked on behalf of the Continental
Amateur Baseball Association to thank you and Fred Hahn and his crew for the job
they're doing out at Avery Road Park for the Little League World Series. The officials
feel that without your people, the tournament would not be possible. They are doing an
extraordinary job, especially at 7:30 Sunday morning when the fields were flooded out
from the rain, getting your people out there and getting the fields playable by 11:00 was
an extraordinary feat; and they just wanted me to express to you their sincere gratitude
and thanks for the job your people have done.
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We have one more issue, Joel brought it up earlier and that is the meeting schedule for
September. The first Monday is a holiday in September; we have 5 Mondays in the
month. The easiest would be just to move it, instead of the first and third, to the second
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Myra Caplinger: Usually what we do is move it to a Tuesday, but with Court --
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Mayor Rozanski: Since there are five Mondays, I would recommend that we do it the
second and fourth, that way it will still go every other Monday; and then if possible, we
might want to use the third Monday for the CIP discussion as Ace brought up. --- So
if that's acceptable to everybody, we'll use that as our schedule for September
Terry Foegler: One brief item, just as a follow-up, I'm not sure it was mentioned, Mr.
Campbell has requested an issue relating to pedestrian signals at 161, and those were
installed and are operational. I think it is now a much safer crossing. You can observe
those and maybe look for comments on those.
Mayor Rozanski: This meeting is adjourned.
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