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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/24/1988 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS M ill utes of 011blin r:iry C()11nril Sp",ri::ll Mppring , I ICS Meet illg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No. 1097 ~ Held October 24, 1988 19 The meeting was called to order by Mayor Close at 7:15 P.M. with all members of Council present. Mayor Close noted that the meeting had been called at the request of Ms. Maurer, with representation that there was concurrence of sufficient members of Council to call a special meeting. The item on the agenda was the following Resolution: Resolution No. 21-88 - Resolution Supporting the Election of a Commission to Study Conditions of Merging the Political Subdivision of the City of Dublin and Washington Township. First Reading. Mr. Sutphen introduced the Resolution. Mr. Joel Campbell, on behalf of the proposed Merger Study Group, asked Counc I to approve the Resolution in support of the merger effort. Mr. Strip moved to delete the fourth "Whereas" clause in its entirety. Mr. Rozanski seconded the motion. Vote on the motion - Ms. Maurer, yes; Mr. Strip, yes; Mr. Amorose, yes; Mr. Rozanski, yes; Mr. Sutphen, yes; Mayor Close, yes; Mr. Jankowski, yes. Mr. Strip moved to waive the three time reading rule and treat as an emergency. Ms. Maurer seconded the motion. Vote on the motion - Ms. Maurer, yes; Mr. Strip, yes; Mr. Jankowski, yes; Mr. Amorose, yes; Mr. Rozanski, yes; Mr. Sutphen, yes; Mayor Close, yes. Vote on the underlying Resolution - Mr. Strip, yes; Mr. Jankowski, yes; Mr. Amorose, yes; Ms. Maurer, yes; Mr. Sutphen, yes; Mr. Rozanski, yes; Mayor Close, yes. Mayor Close recessed the meeting until 7:30 P.M. Mayor Close called the meeting to order at 7:30 P.M. Mr. Jankowski led the Pledge of Allegiance. All Council members were in attendance. Members of Staff present were: Mr. Betz, Mr. Bowman, Ms. Clarke, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Jones, Ms. Jordan, and Ms. Prushing. Mayor Close commented that Council views the meeting as being a briefing of both Council and the public as to the present status of the plan for the Northeast Planning Area. He noted that it was not anticipated that any decisions would be made this evening but that the presentation was for information gathering purposes only. Mr. Patrik Bowman, Planning Director, had the following introductory remarks 1. Professor Dale Bertsch, consultant, would update Council on issues and policy ramifications that have been discussed in the process. 2. Mr. Mack Parkhill would have some remarks on behalf of the East Side Civic Association as well as on behalf of the Task Force that has been working within the planning process. 3. Meetings and discussions have been held with property owners, develop- ers, City Council, Staff, etc. 4. The intention of the process was an effort to try and keep a measure of comprehensive focus. 5. Because there has not been any widespread development in the area, utilities have not been extended into the area; thus, a comprehensive focus is still able to be maintained. II II I I I ,U inutes of RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Dublin City Council Special Meeting natiol gra'r5W1CS Meetillg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No. 1097 ~ Held October 24, 1988 19 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. Page Two 6. It appeared that the only plan that should be presented to Council is one that not might happen but one that will happen. What a Planning Department has to do in order to develop a plan that I will be implemented is to have good faith discussions with the resident~, the developers, large property owners who will actually implement the plan as well as Council. The Planner met with the East Side Civic Association in February, with approximately 100 people present. A workshop took place in April with Mr. Martin Jenkins as facilitator. Following that meeting six people volunteered to serve on a Task Force and they were directed to work with a consultant, Professor Dale Bertsch. In addition to talking with the residents, Professor Bertsch has also had discussions with major property owners, with developers, and also with the City and the school. The East Side Civic Association Task Force came up with a policy statement. The major property owners are still discussing, negotiating and giving their points of view on development in the area. There are no zonings pending; it was agreed that the rezonings should not begin until the process is reasonably concluded. The ultimate goals would be a City sponsored zoning initiative which the staff and the City would sponsor for zonings for particular areas within the quadrant; actually establish how those areas might develop and what the general land use considerations would be. Professor Dale Bertsch described the process as follows: 7. 8. 1. The normal planning process, the normal zoning process would encourage a conflict. 2. The area has a unique nature, comprising almost 2~ square miles, about 80% of which is undeveloped. This was a unique opportunity for both the residents of the area, as well as the community and the large property owners to try to get to- gether and narrow their conflict; where there would be a basic under- standing of the problems, where the solutions might not be totally shared, but at least there would be a narrow agenda. 3. Attempted to use what is commonly called single text process where the Task Force and developers were kept apart for approximately four months, Professor Bertsch meeting with them separately. 4. The Task Force developed a single text, outlining issues and problems, recognizing that at any time in the future they could go back and raise new issues, new problems, ultimately developing a statement. 5. That statement was taken to the developers and there were meetings with the developers. 6. Tried to arrive at a development plan where the citizens could be assured that if the "development ethic" were approved that it would come to fruition. It would be a community "buy-in" on the whole process. 7. To the greatest extent possible the Trask Force tried to arrive at an infrastructure package that would minimize the expenditure of public monies by the municipality. To the greatest extent possible to have th front end costs at least on the sewer, major thoroughfares, etc. be a part of and agreed to by the developers "going in" - knowing what kind of concessions would be made, recognizing that certain groups will own very large pieces of property and perhaps make some concessions to others who might come along at the end of development and perhaps would not be in a position to make concessions, recognizing that some land for parks, for example, might all be on two or three people's land, when in reality, if the package could be developed there might be a sharing of those expenditures from a park standpoint by all of the participants. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS M illutcs of Dubl in Ci ty r,ollnr;l sr.MPpt i l1g M eetillg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No. 1097 ~ II eld October 24, 1988 19 Page Three 8. Another major point was in meeting with Mr. Bowman, the School Board and the Parks and Recreation "people". The intent is not to come to any firm conclusion until the School Board has purchased the sites necessary for the schools and the Parks Department has come to an agreement as to where they want the parks. Professor Bertsch described and discussed five maps as follows: 1. Area description map. A. The map indicates the areas of existing urban development, the major scenic areas, the low point, the high point, etc. B. The area along Sawmill Road is substantially different from a qualitative, from a visual standpoint than the area along River- side Drive. C. There is a high tension line that runs the entire site, north to south, 100' wide which creates a barrier as well as an opportunity 2. Property Owners. A. The map points out all the various property owners, large property owners. B. There is an existing 10 acre site for an elementary school. C. Parcel #13 was sold two weeks ago to the Board of Education. 3. Existing Dublin Plan recommendations. A. The plan that has been adopted by Council that is in effect now. B. Points out major traffic problems that exist. Bright Road is presently being misused; it is undersized if it would ever continue to be used in the manner that it is now. It should primarily be a residential street. A similar situation with Summitview. Major problems in terms of cause and effect of outside traffic using it both east and west through what is a very nice roadway. Riverside Drive is constantly building up in terms of traffic and is expected to continue substantially - same with sawmill Road. C. The assumption being that the scenic area along Riverside Drive and the river will be maintained and enhanced. D. There is a need, according to the Dublin Plan, to provide for an east/west arterial between Sawmill Road and Riverside Drive. It sho~ld probably start at Hard Road. At the present time this interchange is not sufficient for major urban use. It was designed as a rural interchange and it continueE to function from a very urban standpoint. The next interchange is at 315 and the idea is to try to develop a parallel facility along Hard Road so that an alternative road could be provided over to 315 and the interchange. The idea would be to connect Riverside Drive as far north as possible. E. It is Delaware County's present position that they are probably going to be reflecting in their major thoroughfare plan a major arterial connecting Glick Road, the bridge at Glick and Sawmi 11 Road. 4. Task Force recommendations. A. Felt that the area on the western part of the entire sector should be developed in a small, low density, single family development RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Dublin City Council Special Meeting national graoo!CS Meetillg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No. 1097 ~ 11 eld October 24, 1988 19 Page Four B. Recognized that there would be a need for, and certainly demand for, some additional commercial because of the developing pattern on the east side of Sawmill Road. C. Felt that they wanted to hold the depth of the commercial develop- ment to 700', and that it would be from Saltergate to Hard Road. D. Schools have indicated the need for an elementary school site. E. There is a need for a high school site on the east side of town. Looking at a variety of options, the Task Force felt that the best location would be the three properties that are betweein 1-27) and Bright Road; one parcel which the School Board has already purchased. F. The site in the southwest corner is a site that is owned by three people; there is a lot of activity on the site; there is also located on the site a number of Indian mounds with historic value and there will be preservation of same. 5. Development concept. A. There is a recognition that there would be a higher density desirable between the high tension lines and Sawmill Road. B. There would probably be some office development in the area. C. A bikeway system would be planned, linking the schools together, etc. D. A realignment of Summitview, creating a diversionary design to preclude Summitview continuing to be used as a major thorough- fare. E. Bright Road would be downgraded from a traffic standpoint to provide minimum access in and out, to be used only for traffic whose destination would be inside, trying to "deflate" any desire to use it as a through street through the site. F. The Board of Education has purchased approximately one third of a proposed site, but there is a strong desire on the part of some of the developers in the north to try to move that high school site further north with negotiations being pursued at the present time. G. If the proposed, or suggested, Task Force high school site were not developed as a high school, then the Task Force recommended that it be developed as a unit in some institutional manner. H. The worst thing to bring public policy about would be to force, in essence, sixteen rezoning applications, all to be fought on the basis of a desired use in the mind of a particular property owner. I. The best way to accomplish the rezoning of the entire site would be to require three separate zoning applications - one north of Summitview; one from Bright Road to Summitview; and one for the area south. The City would be determining what the appropriate rezonings would be, designing whatever restrictions the City felt were necessary, etc. J. The idea has been discussed with the developers and to a great extent they are willing and encouraged by the idea that the City would initiate the rezoning. Mr. Mack Parkhill, a member of the Task Force and vice-president of the Northeast Civic Association had the following comments: 1. Are pleased with the way the project has taken place, and thanked the Council for making the process possible. 2. At their last meeting the Task Force came up with five addendums to be added to the issues and recommendations presented previously. A. Strongly encourage that Dublin and Delaware County officials co- ordinate their efforts to provide for a major connector to run fro! the east side of the O'Shaughnessy Dam road, in a southeasterly direction across southern Delaware County, to connect to Sawmill Road at a point near the Franklin County line. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS M illlltes of Meet illg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No, 1097 ~ Held October 24. 1988 19 Page Five B. Request any action on the Dublin Thoroughfare Plan, as it pertains to the Northeast Quadrant, be postponed until the Task Force of the Northeast Dublin Civic Association and potential developers complete the arterial plans for the quadrant. C. Request that if it is determined that an additional bridge is required in the future, that the location be either immediately south of the dam and/or beneath the existing 1-270 bridge. D. Request that no additional right-of-way be acquired to widen eithe Summitview or Bright Roads, thereby increasing the potential for additional traffic. E. The area west of the Grandee Cliffs area between Bright Road and 1-270 should be developed only with residential, single-family construction, at a density averaging no more than R-2 in the entire area. Care should be taken to attempt to minimize any impact on the Indian mounds in the area. Responding to a question from Ms. Maurer regarding specific parkland areas, Mr. Parkhill said that the Task Force specified a park around the water tower as the first park. He noted that the area around the water tower is rather flat, there are very few trees in the area, and that it would be a natural for a recreational type park - soccer, softball, etc. With regard to other park areas Mr. Parkhill said that the Task Force said that they would first like to meet with the Parks and Recreation staff prior to determining or recommending specific sites, but that they would recommend that the remainder of the green areas be nature parks of some type. Mayor Close asked if any thought had been given to moving the high school site to the water tower area. Professor Bertsch said that there had been some discussion with Mr. Joe Riedel of the Dublin City Schools who indicated that it was the feeling of the schools that they would prefer that the school site be as close to 1-270 as possible. Mention was made of the school in that location possible potential traffic problems that a high could present. input I With regard to input from developers, Professor Bertsch noted that that has occurred in the area of the commercial; in the area of where the residential should be, etc. A major issue that emerged from the developers was the location of the arterial, the timing of the arterial, whose property would it go through, what type of road will it be, and for what type of traffic would it be designed. The developers for the most part liked the concept (the alignment) that the Task Force presented, and that would be to start as far north in the area as possible and terminate the road at Hard Road. The developers, however, did like the idea of bringing the road up and tying it into Summit- view but the Task Force did not. Other possibilities regarding the road were also explored. Professor Bertsch said that there was some strong feeling on the part of som of the developers who felt that they would like to have the commercial go all the way back to the high tension line, but that the Task Force felt very strongly that the 700' or so ought to be an adequate depth for commercial along Sawmill Road. The last discussion Professor indicated possibly commercial development from there to the Bertsch had with the at the 700' mark but high tension line. affected developer non single-family Discussion followed regarding other arterials and ways of getting traffic from the northwest to the southeast. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS M illutes of Dublin City Council Special Meeting Meeting ~ICS National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No. 1097 ~ Held October 24, 1988 19 Page Six It had been suggested that a bridge just south of the Glick Road bridge would take a lot of the traffic from the northwest, bringing it straight over to Sawmill Road and, in turn, possibly to Hard Road and then to the interchange. It was noted that there is approximately 4 miles between the Glick Road bridge and the Scioto bridge, the two existing bridges. Professor Bertsch noted that very little consideration had been given in discussions to a bridge between the two existing bridges. He noted that the Task Force decided very early on that bridges were a bigger City issue; that they were concerned with a particular quadrant. Following was discussion regarding the issue of sewers. 1. The site for the sewerline initially selected by the Task Force was along the river road, but a gravity line would be virtually impossible to construct without blasting because of the rock, etc. 2. The Task Force took the position of no blasting for a variety of reason the possible effect on wells in the area being one. 3. The possibility of a limited force main was discussed. 4. The Task Force discussed the state of the technology of force mains and felt that force mains should be explored from a technological point for purposes of solving the problem. 5. If a force main were placed in one area and service were not provided to the area further north because of the rock and no blasting, then there would be unequal treatment of residents within the City - not providing urban services for the entire area. 6. The Task Force recommended a force main but also recommended that Council should be open on the issue and study the technology. 7. The Task Force felt that the entire project should be provided with urban services, including sewer. Additional discussion followed regarding the possible effects of blasting on wells, acquifers, and so forth. Professor Bertsch said that at meetings of the Task Force and developers that the developers had suggested establishing an escrow account, and if damage should be incurred by property owners on their wells that the developers would either pay for new wells or pay for hookups into the public water and sewer system. He indicated that further and more specific discussions would be required regarding the subject of an escrow account as regards legalities, etc. Ms. Maurer suggested that there may have to be some give and take on the R-l designation in order to make it economically feasible for the developers to provide all services. With regard to plans for the Glick Road extension/continuation to the east, Professor Bertsch said that at a recent meeting he had stated that the origin and destination between Powell and Riverside Drive was not "where the action is", that that would only contribute to a problem on Riverside Drive, and he stated that the issue will be studied further. Responding to a question regarding waterlines, Professor Bertsch said that the Task Force had not specifically addressed the issue, but Mr. Parkhill read a sentence from the Task Force's statement which says that "complete engineering and financing plans for the water and sewer service should be in place before any additional development takes place". RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AI illutes of Dublin City Council Special Meeting ~b Meetillg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No, 1097 ~ II eld October 24, 1988 19 Page Seven Citizens expressed concerns and asked questions. The issue regarding the R-2 designation was discussed. Professor Bertsch said that it was the Task Force's recommendation after a meeting with several residents of Grandee Cliffs who felt that the R-2 designation would be realistic. He noted also that consideration of the Indian burial mound on the site had also been considered. Mr. Randy Roth presented historical information on the mounds - the site dating back to about 300 A.D. with enormous earth works with archeological value and of enormous historical importance. Mr. Roth had additional background information and drew the approximate boundaries of the site on one of the maps. Professor Bertsch said that the great value of the site was recognized and it was realized that it is a resource to be preserved, but also noted that the Task Force did not have access to engineering descriptions. Mr. Roth also said that some of the residents felt strongly that middle income housing, homes in the $80,000.00 to $90,000.00 range should be available to people desiring to move into Dublin. Discussion followed regarding the designated "orange area off of Bright Road". One questioner asked if the high school were not to go on the site what woul be the zoning designation. The Task Force's recommendation initially was "institutional", which would require the consolidation of the three properties for some type of office development, perhaps similar to OCLC or Ashland. Several citizens expressed, strongly, their opinion that the area should be R-1. One resident suggested perhaps R-l zoning where it abuts existing R-l zoning and have higher density closer to 1-270. Professor Bertsch commented that the Task Force had been indicating it as a transition zone which would be in conformance with the plans of record. A resident asked for clarification regarding realignment of Bright Road, and Professor Bertsch said that the attempt would be to divert traffic, providing alternatives for the origin and destination of traffic, so that Bright Road and Summitview Road are not used as major thoroughfares. Professor Bertsch said that, for example, if an individual property owner had his rezoning request denied and went to court, the courts might very well decide what the zoning on his property will be. He noted that it seeme better to get the property owners and developers together to talk, under- standing each others wants in order to narrow substantially the gaps in terms of concepts. He also said that in this instance there is a clear understanding of the need to preserve the Indian mounds, for example. Professor Bertsch said that he and Mr. Bowman have always said "no" to commercial along Riverside Drive south of Bright Road. There are, however, areas where commercial would be an option. It was noted that the entire northeast area is about 2~ square miles; 1600 acres; 28% developed; almost 75% undeveloped; with 700 registered voters at present. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS M illutes of Dublin City Council Special Meeting *b Meetillg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No, 1097 ~ Held October 24~ 1988 19 Page Eight In terms of the entire quadrant it was suggested that one should consider 50-70 acres in parkland; 68 acres for a high school site; 10 acres for an elementary school site; 15-20% of the land devoted to streets. As a result people would be placed on 55-60% of the remaining land. With regard to the commercial area being discussed, a retail-type commercial had been discussed but nothing specific has been decided. There were citizens present who objected to additional retail, noting the already many empty store fronts in the area. Professor Bertsch commented that the Task Force had never said 700' from Sawmill Road for apartments or offices. They said 700' for commercial. With regard to parkland and whether it would be made up of developer donations or City acquisition, Professor Bertsch said that that would depend upon the type of park, its size, and that further discussions with the Parks and Recreationi Department would be necessary. Ms. Maurer suggested that would be another tradeoff, noting that the less dense a residential development is the less parkland the City can get from developers, and the greater the cost to the City. Mr. Strip said that the purchase of property for the high school is almost exclusively within the rights of the Board of Education as to what property they want to buy and suggested that if citizens had any strong feelings about a particular site that they should make those feelings known to the School Board. Mr. Strip went on further to say that he felt that at the present time that it is the School Board's intention to build on that site, but that it would not preclude their listening to the possibility of a better deal. Mr. Amorose asked Professor Bertsch how he felt professionally about a high school versus an office complex being mixed in with a residential area. Professor Bertsch said, assuming it would be a single site office develop- ment, that he did not think that there would be a great deal of difference - the difference being that with a high school complex there would be more evening and weekend use. He said, however, that there would be no comparisot between those uses and apartments. Apartments are occupied 7 days a week with "ins" and "outs" with no set destination times. i The purchase price of an acre of land in the area was briefly discussed. Professor Bertsch agreed that fiscal reason is no reason to develop land, but did point out that a number of court cases had been decided on less than that and that R-l, economically, probably cannot happen. A resident commended the work of the Task Force and said that congratulation were in order. Dr. Stoycheff commended and thanked the members of Council for expressing their interest in the process. He recalled that he had always been a "very staunch R-l man" but that he has learned that it is often necessary to compromise. He commented that he would not object to a little commercial right on the outerbelt, if necessary, but that after that there should be R-2 houses. With regard of office buildings, Professor Bertsch said that if Dublin were to say or approve one or two story office buildings only, then the City would most likely have the type of office development that is presently along Tuller Road. Ms. Maurer reminded those present that Dublin has a Landscape Code which would require extensive buffering and landscaping around an office develop- ment site, especially when near residential. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS M illutcs of Dublin City Council Sp'Q~i~1 Mooting ~ Meet illg National Graphics Corp., Cols., O. Form No. 1097 ~ II eld October 24, 1988 19 Page Nine Mr. Roth said that he and several of his neighbors had canvassed residents of the neighborhoods with a questionnaire regarding the Task Force proposal and received the following feedback: 1. The neighborhood presently is basically a middle class, middle income neighborhood. There is a need for middle income housing in Dublin. 2. The elderly in the neighborhood should be considered and their concerns respected. 3. A need for clear, rumor-free, information. 4. An interest in working with Council. 5. If the high school is not built on the site, what are the controls for the type of unit development that would be built on the site. 6. The residents would like to have more housing to sustain the character of the neighborhood. Mayor Close commented that Council is interested and committed to do the best job possible under the law. He said that legally, Council cannot stop the development and cannot force the development all to be R-l. He said he felt positive about doing the zoning of the area as a package; to be able to get something done that most people, residents, property owners, and developers alike "can buy into". Mayor Close said that this would be the second time that Council has looked at initiating a zoning and hoped that this one would be as successful as the first. He reminded those present that part of the planning process is the require- ment to insure that there are transitions between zonings to protect, in particular, residential land. On behalf of Council Mayor Close thanked those in attendance for their input comments and especially their interest. Mayor Close adjourned the meeting at 9:49 P.M. :t#/h /J _{;f,ilMh~. ZfJ./~0U C erk of Cou cil