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HomeMy WebLinkAbout01/05/1998 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting u m rty ounce eetmg age DAYTON LEGAL BLANK CO-. CORM NO. 10148 it ~I Held ~,,,-~;~a T ~144g 19 ~,I, Mayor Kranstuber called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Mrs. Boring led the Pledge of Allegiance. Mayor Kranstuber introduced the Honorable Scott VanDerKarr, a Franklin County Municipal Court Judge and Dublin resident who will administer the oath of office to the Mayor and to Council Member Peterson. Oaths of Office i Council Members Elect Robert Adamek, Cathy Boring, and John Reiner were given the ~ oath of office by Mayor Kranstuber. Judge VanDerKarr administered the oath of office to ~ Council Member Elect Greg Peterson. Roll all Council members present were: Mr. Adamek, Mrs. Boring, Ms. Hide Pittaluga, Mayor Kranstuber, Mr. McCash, Mr. Peterson, and Mr. Reiner. Staff members present were: Acting City Manager Grigsby, Mr. Helwig, Mr. Smith, Ms. Clarke, Mr. Kendra, Mr. McDaniel, Mr. Lenz, Mr. Hahn, Ms. Crandall, Ms. Bearden and Ms. Puskarcik. Election of Vice Maxor Mr. Adamek moved to nominate Mrs. Boring for atwo-year term as Vice Mayor. Mr. Reiner seconded the motion. Vote on the motion - Mr. McCash, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes; Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes. Election of Mayor Mrs. Boring moved to re-elect Mayor Kranstuber for an additional term of two years. Mr. McCash seconded the motion. Vote on the moteon - Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes; Mr. McCash, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes. Oath of Office Judge VanDerKarr administered the oath of office to Mayor Kranstuber. Mayor Kranstuber then administered the oath of office to Vice Mayor Boring. Mayor Kranstuber announced that a brief recess would betaken at this time. The meeting was reconvened at 7:30 p.m. Committee Appointments Mayor Kranstuber moved approval of Committee appointments as follows: Administrative Committee, Cathy Boring, Chair, Mr. Peterson and Mr. McCash members; Finance Committee, Mr. Adamek, Chair, Mrs. Boring and Mr. Reiner members; Community Development Committee, Mr. Reiner, Chair, Mr. McCash and Ms. Hide Pittaluga members; and Public Services Committee, Ms. Hide Pittaluga, Chair, Mr. Adamek and Mr. Peterson members. Mrs. Boring seconded the motion. Vote on the motion - Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mr. McCash, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes. Mayor Kranstuber moved to appoint Judi Stillwell as citizen representative to the Mid Ohio Regional Planning Comrrussion. Mr. Reiner seconded the motion. Vote on the motion - Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mr. McCash, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes. He noted that the appoentment of an elected official as representative to MORPC will be done at a future Council meeting. Mayor Kranstuber moved to appoint Mr. McCash as the Council representative to the Planning and Zoning Comrrussion effective immediately. Mrs. Boring seconded the moteon. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting u m i y ounce ee mg age DA E AL BLANK CO.. .'-ORM MO. 10148 Held Tarniar~~ 5, 1998 19 Vote on the motion - Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. McCash, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes. Approval of Minutes of December 15, 1997 Ms. Hide Pittaluga noted she has some additions to the minutes which she would prefer to circulate to Council members prior to consideration of the minutes. It was the consensus of Council to hold over approval of the minutes of December 15, 1997 until the January 20, 1998 meeting. Corresuondence The Clerk noted there were three notices sent to Council regarding the transfer of liquor permits. These involve existing permits which are being transferred due to a corporate change of the permit holder. They include: CH, Inc. to Culinary Consultants, Inc. dba Handkes Table at 6644 Perimeter Loop Road; Service Station Holdings, Inc. to The Standard Oil Co. dba BP Food Mart 2340 at 6725 Perimeter Loop Road; and Enro Marketing Co. to Speedway SuperAmerica LLC dba Speedway 5480 at 3750 W. Dublin Granville Road. There was no objection from Council regarding these transfers. Comments from Visitors Mr. Maurer_ 7451 Dublin Road addressed Council: 1) In regard to the wild animals on his property which he spoke about at the last meeting, he has had discussion with Mr. McDaniel about this matter and it will be addressed by staff. 2) Regarding a constitutional matter, he will speak to Council about this at the next meeting. Staff Comments Mayor Kranstuber thanked Mr. Kendra for the update about the Capital Improvement Program regarding traffic. It was very helpful in understanding the programmed improvements. He asked about the status of state funding for the Avery/Muirfield interchange. Mr. Kendra responded that ODOT has approved the design concept, however the funding will be done by the City. LEGISLATION SECOND READING & PUBLIC HEARING - ORDINAN E Ordinance No. 166-97 - An Ordinance Granting the Board of Education, Dublin City School District a Permanent, Non-Exclusive Storm Sewer Easement. Mr. Kendra stated that this is a storm sewer easement from the city to the school distn7ct to serve the new middle school. It is routed through Red Trabue park, not through the nature preserve. It has been reviewed by the Parks Division and staffis recommending approval. He added that there is a memo from Mr. Bowman attached to the ordinance outlining the details. There was no one present who asked to testify. Vote on the ordinance - Mr. Peterson, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes; Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes; Mr. McCash, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes. INTRODUCTION & FIR T READIN - ORDINAN ES Ordinance No. 01-98 - An Ordinance Directing the Engineering Division to Make a Notation on the Original Plat of Brandon Subdivision, Section 4, Dublin, Ohio Referencing the Preliminary Plat of Bellepoint Place Subdivision, Dublin, Ohio. Mayor Kranstuber introduced the ordinance. Mr. Smith stated that this gives legislative authority to direct the City engineer to make a notation on the on-iginal plat of Brandon, Section 4. There will be a public hearing and second reading of the ordinance at the January 20 Council meeting. RECORD OF PROCEED[NGS Minutes of Meeting ' y ounce ee mg age DAYT N E AL BLANK CO.. FORM NO. 10148 Held Tarn~arv S, 1998 19 Ordinance No. 02-98 - An Ordinance Authorizing the City Manager to Enter into a Contract with the Franklin County Board of Health for Health Services. Mayor Kranstuber introduced the ordinance. Ms. Grigsby stated this is the annual contract for health services provided by Franklin County Board of Health. No emergency action is necessary. ' There will be a public hearing and second reading at the January 20 Council meeting. INTRODUCTION & PUBLIC HEARING - RE OLUTIONS Resolution No. 01-98 - A Resolution Accepting the Amounts and Rates as Determined by the Budget Commission, Authorizing the Necessary Taz Levies and Certifying Them to the County Auditor. Mayor Kranstuber introduced the resolution. Ms. Grigsby stated that this is done each year for the county auditors to certify that the tax rates are correct. The only revision this year is a minor reduction of the millage for debt service. Vote on the resolution - Mr. Reiner, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes; Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. McCash, yes. Preliminary Plat -Bellepoint Place (Applicant: Jim Brundage, 682 Paddlewheel Drive, Westerville, OH 43082) Ms. Clarke stated that this plat was reviewed by Planning Commission in 1995. At that time, the Washington Township Trustees were considering this site for a new fire station. The site is approximately 6 acres located on the corner of Brandonway Drive and Dublin Road. Ordinance 01-98 on tonight's agenda would permit a street to be installed through a narrow reserve at the entryway of the Brandon subdivision. This subdivision is currently under construction. There are a total of 13 single family lots, and 1-1/4 acres of open space reserve which is in reality a storm water detention basin. Fees will be paid in lieu of park dedication. Since the time of Planning Commission review, Washington Township has identified another site for a fire station, and so it is appropriate now to go forward with this plat. The plat should have been approved by Council prior to the beginning of construction; safeguards have now been implemented by the Planning division since last year to prevent this type of oversight. The Planning Commission recommended approval of this plat with 14 conditions: 1. That an amended plat be filed for Brandon Section 4; 2. That a landscape plan for Reserve D be submitted prior to scheduling Council review of this application; 3 . That the applicant install an eight-foot bike path along the west side of Dublin road; 4. That 40 feet of right-of--way along Dublin-Bellepoint Road be dedicated to the City; 5. That the name of the cul-de-sac be changed to Bellepoint Place Court; 6. That the applicant submit a detailed tree preservation plan that shows existing trees on site, and how trees will be protected during all phases of construction; 7. That the tree row along the western border of the site be installed with construction of the street; 8. That all plats, plot plans, building permits and construction drawings indicate lots which require grinder pumps; 9. That the design of pavement, utilities, storm water management, easements and right-of--way meet the approval of the City Engineer; 10. That a storm water management easement be provided for the privately-owned and maintained retention basin and the maintenance responsibilities for which be indicated on all plats and plans; 1 1. That all no parking areas be designated on the final plat; 12. That the retention basin be provided with an aerator system as approved by the City Engineer; 13. That the applicant grant necessary easements and/or utility extensions to provide water service to the property owner to the south. Agreements created must be executed and in force before the final plat is recorded, subject to review by the RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting age DAVT AL BLANK CO.. '-ORM NO. 10148 Held JanuarT S 1998 19 City Engineer for compliance with City Code and standard engineering practices; and 14. That the applicant grant an easement and/or extend utility lines to provide sanitary sewer service to the property owner to the south. Agreements created must be executed and in force before the final plat is recorded, subject to review by the City Engineer for compliance with City Code and standard engineering practices. Ms. Clarke stated that the applicant has complied with everything at this time and staff is recommending approval with the 14 conditions. Mrs. Boring asked about the park fee condition which was dropped. Ms. Clarke responded that as part of the applicant's proposal, the park fee is to be paid before the final plat is recorded. Mayor Kranstuber moved to approve the preliminary plat of Bellepoint Place with the 14 conditions appended by Planning Commission.. Mr. Reiner seconded the motion. Vote on the motion - Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes; Mr. McCash, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes. Preliminary Plat -Kendall Ridgy Mr. Smith stated that some legal issues have come up regarding this plat, and he recommended tabling this until January 20. He will provide a memo to Council on this matter prior to the next meeting. Mayor Kranstuber moved to table the plat until January 20. Mr. Reiner seconded the motion. Vote on the motion - Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mrs. Boring, yes; Mr. McCash, yes; Mr. Adamek, yes; Mr. Reiner, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes; Mayor Kranstuber, yes. The applicant was not present for the Sycamore Ridge concept plan hearing. It was the consensus of Council to hold this over until later in the meeting. Round Table/Committee ReUOrtS Mr. Peterson commented that he has had a warm reception from Council and from staff. Staff has been very helpful and informative. He is looking forward to serving on Council and thanked everyone for their support. Ms. Hide Pittaluga commented: 1. Happy New Year to everyone! 2. She has received several phone calls from residents regarding a storm water meeting held in December, but was unaware that this had been scheduled. Mr. Kindra responded that although there have been ongoing staff meetings as they work on finalizing the storm water master plan, there has been no public meeting to date. 3. The Public Services Committee needs to meet to discuss a bike path issue which has come up. Following brief discussion, the Committee agreed to meet on January 26 at 6:00 p.m. at City Hall for discussion of this topic. Ms. Pittaluga will forward some preliminary information to committee members. The clerk will notify Mr. Hahn about the meeting. 4. She noted that D.A.R.E. Officer Randy Louks is scheduled to have cancer surgery tomorrow and asked that everyone keep him in their prayers. Mr. McCash wished everyone a Happy New Year and stated that he has information for dissemination to Council at the next meeting regarding a project he has been working on. Mr. Adamek noted that he is looking forward to his service on Council and glad to be getting started after much anticipation. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting u ' y unci e m age AVT N AL BLANK CO.. =ORM NO. 10148 Held Tarniarv 5 1998 19 Mr. Reiner: 1. Welcomed Mr. Peterson and Mr. Adamek and noted that former Council member, Ms. Stillwell, is in attendance tonight. 2. Reported that a meeting is being held in Jerome Township tonight to discuss commercial zoning of a piece of land that has been targeted as a potential portion of the metro park. He shared his hope that Council will look at issues regionally and consider the concerns of neighboring townships in their deliberations. It is important that neighboring areas enforce high standards as well as Dublin. Mrs. Boring welcomed the new members and informed them of three 1998 agenda items for the Administrative Committee: a goal setting meeting; an organizationaVteam building meeting; and a quarterly appreciation dinner with the Planning and Zoning Commission. She asked that if there are dates they have already committed, or if they have suggestions for facilitators for goal setting, that they forward this information to the Clerk of Council. Mayor Kranstuber reminded Council that at the last meeting, he and Mr. McCash agreed to review a draft fact sheet for the stadium issue. They have done so, and Council should receive a copy of the final version in the next few days. Content Plan -Bash Proper y -Sycamore Ridge Apartments, Phase 2 (Applicant: Continental Communities, Ltd., c/o Jonathan E. Kass, 150 East Broad Street, Suite 505, Columbus, OH 43215; Herbert W. Bash, Jr., 6720 Riverside Drive, Dublin, OH 43017) Mayor Kranstuber stated that Council Members McCash and Reiner have indicated they will abstain on this matter due to conflict of interests. [Mr. McCash and Mr. Reiner left ~ the Chambers.] Ms. Clarke stated that this is a concept plan for 260 apartments to be located on what is currently the Bash driving range. The site includes approximately 34 acres, with land on both sides of Riverside Drive. She noted that the land between Riverside Drive and the river is not very visible, but it is part of this application. This proposal provides for 9.8 acres of that land to be dedicated as parkland. The application went to the Planning Commission on December 11, 1997 and the Commission recommended disapproval by a vote of 5-0. The density exceeds the Community Plan recommendation of five units per acre. The Commission has received strong guidance from City Council on density regulations, and consequently refused to approve this unless Council directed otherwise. This site would double the size of the existing Sycamore Ridge development, and the overall density of both developments would be 8.5 units per acre. There are currently three acres of parkland on the hill which the developer proposes to trade. He would develop that land and dedicate an additional three acres at the foot of the hill, along the river, which is identified as a higher park acquisition priority. Planning staff had recommended approval with several conditions. One was that the density be reduced to five units per acre, and the developer has indicated that he is unable to comply. Ms. Clarke pointed out that the concept plan is the first stage of a PUD rezoning application and that Council's approval or disapproval of this plan is not binding on either the municipality or the developer. This is the opportunity afforded the developer for feedback on a proposal prior to investing significant dollars in a development plan. Mr. Kranstuber asked if a majority vote of Council was necessary for tonight's action. Mr. Smith explained that for discussion purposes of a concept plan, which is non-binding, only the majority of those present is required for guidance purposes. Mr. Kass presented an overview of the proposal. He noted that they are the second developer to have the land under contract. The Community Plan identifies property adjacent to the existing Sycamore Ridge development as an area for which additional multi-family is recommended on the premise that it would grow and enhance an existing community. It is a difficult piece of property to develop due to the topography and the underlying rock. The price of the property is about $100,000 per acre -the highest price they have paid for amulti-family parcel. Continental Properties was aware of the fact that RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting u m rty ounce eetmg Page 6 DAYTON LEGAL BLANK CO. FORM NO. 10148 Hel 19 - - - an impending revision of the Community Plan would eliminate any additional multi-family I! above a density of 5 units per acre unless the developer's plan was extraordinary. They believe their plan is exceptional. Although the Planning and Zoning Commission withheld approval of the proposal, four of the five members made very positive comments, and referred him back to Council. If Council endorses their concept, Mr. Kass will fine tune the proposal, return to Planning and Zoning for their recommendation, and then come to Council for formal approval. Mr. Kass commented upon the pros and cons of various densities of multi-family housing, showing slides which represent existing housing in Dublin at those densities. He noted that the density level does not necessarily relate to the quality of a project. Mr. Kass pointed out the advantages of the proposed concept plan: (1) the housing would be built with 200 to 400 foot setbacks on a crescent overlooking the river valley; (2) the crescent would have an impressive series of formal gardens; (3) the slope would be utilized with three-story, mansion-style units facing the river and two-story units on the other side facing east toward the old Sycamore development; and (4) the low traffic load from the housing makes it a much better choice than commercial development on the site, which would create a traffic hazard. The density for this development would be the same as Sycamore Ridge. They would not be able to afford the price of the land, except that they already have a clubhouse, rental office, and swimming pool in place, which will help to amortize the costs over 500+ units instead of 270 units. They have already paid for the capacities for sewer and water. If the concept plan is disapproved, it is doubtful anyone else could afford to do the same quality project. Mr. Kass also noted that the Sycamore Ridge development houses "empty nesters" for the most part. These developments generate very few students for the schools. Thus, the tax revenues for multi-family are favorable to the school district and the City. Multi-family also provides housing for the new employees brought in by corporations who pay income taxes to the City. He pointed out a study provided to Council which indicates that at completion, the two phases of the development would bring in about $700,000 per year in real property taxes between county, City, township, and Dublin schools. Over a 25-year period, there would be a total of 17 million dollars of taxes generated for the school district. Mack Parkhill, 7879 Riverside Drive and a trustee of East Dublin Civic Association, commented on the proposed project. He has no illusion that single-family housing will work its way down there. His concern is that this is one of the few major gateways to Dublin. It is seen not only from Riverside Drive, but is also visible from Rt. 161 entering Dublin, from the 270 bridge, and from the other side of the river. The appearance that is being proposed with this project, even in the concept plan, is not acceptable. The traffic congestion already present on Tuller will worsen. In addition, within two years the Emerald Parkway bridge will bring heavy traffic onto and off of Riverside Drive, almost adjacent to this property. Since there will be a considerable amount of traffic in this area, the need for low density development is essential. He added that this is a test for the new master plan. If the density requirement is increased 50-60 percent the first time it is tested, it does not bode well for future adherence to any other portions of the document. He suggested that Council consider instead a condominium development for this site similar to the Inverness development at Bright Road and Sawmill. Mr. Peterson asked if all the other conditions recommended by staff have been met, aside from the density. Ms. Clarke explained that the developer has agreed to meet all conditions recommended in the staff report except for the density. Ms. Hide Pittaluga complimented Mr. Kass on awell-conceived plan, noting that continuing to explore the proposed development merited consideration. She asked for further information about the formulas used which determine the feasibility of a five unit per acre density project. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting u m rty ounce eetmg Page 7 _ DAYTON LEGAL BLANK CO. FORM N0. 10148 I Hel 19 it - Mr. Kass explained that the normal range of cost of land for multi family m the Central Ohio marketplace has been from $5,000-6,000 up to a high of $10,000 per unit. This land is in contract for $2,850,000. Of this land, 3.4 acres on the west side of the road is unbuildable wetland, which they will dedicate to the City for a bikepath to meet the green space requirement. This leaves only 28 usable acres. Dividing the cost at $2,850,000 by 268 units results in an $11,000 per unit price which is the highest price they have paid. Another factor affecting the cost is the difficulty of building on this land as noted ~ previously. Mr. Kass responded to Mr. Parkhill's comments, noting that his company has often developed high quality projects at the gateway, highly visible areas of Dublin. Secondly, this project will not directly funnel traffic onto the Emerald Parkway and the density is less than that of a commercial density. Finally, in terms of the view corridor, housing will look more attractive than commercial development. Ms. Pittaluga asked if a condominium development would be feasible for the site. Mr. Kass responded that it is feasible, but that their business is apartment development, not condominiums. Ms. Pittaluga noted that 1,000 units of apartments have already been zoned behind the Schottenstein development on the east side, so the apartment needs have already been met for this area of Dublin. Mr. Kass responded that those will be low-end type housing, while their development is of high-end market quality. ` Ms. Hide-Pittaluga pointed out the new Community Plan offers credits toward density for amenities, but these details have not been worked out at this point in time. "Y Mr. Kass responded that if the seller is willing to delay, he could wait until the credit list was established. His intentions are to develop a high quality project that actually raises the standard. He cautioned that multi-family at five units per acre with no credits will lower the quality ofmulti-family housing. Mr. Kranstuber noted that the lower density could affect land prices in the future in cases such as this. He added that many of the attractive developments in Dublin are multi- family. He pointed out that the Craughwell project was approved because the project demonstrated that density does not necessarily have to affect the aesthetics of the development. He reminded Council members that all the studies indicate that the City needs to have corporate housing available, and for the past fifteen years, the schools have stated that multi-family housing is a money-maker for them. He added that he did not anticipate that the density in the Community Plan of 5 units per acre for multi-family would necessarily generate projects with that density or below. The advantage is that the developer knows he will have to provide adequate amenities to warrant an increased density. He believes this concept plan is an attractive development and warrants continuation of the process. The only advantage is disapproving this proposal is that perhaps the property owner would have to reduce his price for the property and another developer would have more money to put toward the project amenities versus the land costs. Mrs. Boring complimented Mr. Kass on the presentation of the project. However, she believes Dublin's credibility is at stake if Council approves this density following recent adoption of the Plan. If any location in Dublin deserves special consideration for low density, this would be that location. Mr. Littleton of the Planning Division has indicated that the housing in that area has a disproportionate amount of rental units. She referred to a recent fiscal impact study which showed that a high number of units drain the City financially. Mrs. Boring suggested that Council be cautious about significant increases in the number of rental units in that quadrant, but especially when considering this hill with its high visibility and the fact that it is adjacent to a unique residential area of beautiful older homes. Mrs. Boring encouraged further consideration of owner-occupied condo units which create a sense of community for the residents. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting u m rty ounce eetmg age 8 DAYTON LEGAL BV NK CO.. CORM NO. 10148 Hel 19 ' Mr. Adamek commented that the density issue has been covered very well. He asked if it is possible to have a rrix ofowner-occupied condos and offices on this side of the hill to join the already existing rental units on the upper hill. He is not impressed with the existing Sycamore Ridge development and he noted that he has seen many outstanding developments in other areas of the country. He agrees that the clubhouse is impressive. He suggested that if all the buildings were similar to the clubhouse and if the density were lowered, it would be an attractive project. He asked if Mr. Kass could develop a concept that incorporated office space and condominium development as opposed to 21 buildings of the same number of units with garages and landscaping. Mr. Kass responded that they have been working on this plan for the better part of six months. He explained that the planning process is a difficult process in Dublin. Other than the professional planning staff, the review process participants may not realize the impossibility of tiering commercial, rental units, and condos. They simply do not fit together. He described the difficulties with development and retaining tenants in general in the Dublin Village Center area. While there may be beautiful homes on one side, there is a freeway on the other side, and it is zoned commercial. He added that all four quadrants of the 161 and Sawmill intersection have retail development with multi-family behind it. The difference with this quadrant is that it is also Dublin's "front door". Mr. Kass noted that Council's choice is to work with him on a density level of 8.5 urns per acre with amenities, or start over with another developer or landowner. Contrary to Mrs. Boring's earlier statement, higher density is cheaper to service than lower density for the City, due to the fact that there are more taxes coming in. Any study will confirm this. Ms. Boring commented that the City needs to decide if they prefer owner-occupied condo units or rental units on this site. , Mr. Peterson asked if there is any room for negotiation. The City would be sending the wrong message to future developers to deviate from the Community Plan so soon after adoption. This would not be a good precedent. Mr. Kass asked at what point in the Community Plan process over the last three years that five units per acre was determined. Mayor Kranstuber responded that it was actually determined in the last 6 to 8 weeks of the process, but had been under discussion throughout. Mr. Kranstuber commented that the issue tonight is whether the City wants 260 apartments at this location or commercial development. Council seems to be in agreement with the premise that this is a special site, but disagrees on how to protect it. His position is that it would be wise to continue to work with a developer with a reputation for creating attractive projects. Density is not the only issue here - it is also one of aesthetics. Ms. Hide Pittaluga noted she is still undecided about this concept plan. She suggested tabling the plan and requested additional information to enable Council to understand costs in order to approach the decision on a logical basis. She noted that Council needs to make a decision on the land use based on sound business data about the marketplace in order not to completely diminish the value of the property. She believes further discussion is needed by Council regarding a credits program to determine realistically what the options are in this case. Ms. Hide Pittaluga moved to table the concept plan. Mr. Kranstuber seconded the motion. Mr. Smith suggested that the discussion regarding credits should be sent to a Committee. Mr. Helwig noted that developing the list would require at least a month on stabs part. He offered to undertake this project immediately, as several other development proposals currently under review could benefit from this information. He added that Mr. Kass could provide some of the cost studies that Ms. Hide Pittaluga requested. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Minutes of Meeting ' y unci ee mg age 4YT N AL BLANK CO.. .`-ORM NO. 10148 Held Tanuar~~, 1998 19 He requested that Council table the matter until February 17. Ms. Hide Pittaluga amended her motion to table this until February 17. Mayor Kranstuber seconded the amended motion. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Kindra if a traffic study could be made available for this site within a month. Mr. Kindra responded that this is normally done later in the process and is site specific. It could be done up front, however, at City cost. He added that he could provide some more generalized traffic studies that would assist Council with their decision. Ms. Boring asked Chief Geis if there are statistics available on the crime increase in the rental area located on the ridge. Chief Geis responded that he is not aware of any particular crime increase in this location, but he would need to do further analysis to make that determination. Vote on the motion - Ms. Hide Pittaluga, yes; Mrs. Boring, no; Mr. Adamek, yes, Mayor Kranstuber, yes; Mr. Peterson, yes. The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 p.m. / r, `..Mayor -Presiding Officer L Clerk of Council