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DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL
Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 6:30 p.m.
Minutes of Meeting
Ms. Salay, Chair, called the meeting to order on Wednesday, June 20, at 6:35 p.m. in
Council Chambers.
Committee Members present were Ms. Salay, Mrs. Boring and Mr. Reiner. Council
Member Keenan, liaison to the DAC, was also present.
Staff members present were: Ms. Grigsby and Ms. Ott.
Representing the Dublin Arts Council were David Guion, Executive Director, and Jack
Pigman and Trish Jarvis of the DAC Board.
Ms. Salay stated that the purpose of this meeting is the continued discussion of a
proposed agreement with the Dublin Arts Council (DAC). At the April 23 meeting, the
Committee reviewed three of the proposed items, and two items remain to be discussed
this evening: (1) cost of City services for DAC events and (2) partnership with the
Dublin Community Recreation Center. Ms. Salay requested Mr. Guion to share his
thoughts.
Cost of City Services
Mr. Guion stated that the events that currently involve the use of City services are the
Art & Music Festival, the Art in Public Places Program and the Sundays at Scioto
concert series. This could also include additional events and programs as they arise.
Ms. Salay inquired the best method to incorporate into the agreement the specific
events/programs Council intends to provide City services. Should additional events and
programs be determined on a case by case basis or on an annual basis?
Ms. Grigsby responded that when the Finance Committee made the recommendation to
Council concerning the Sundays at Scioto, discussion also occurred regarding the Art &
Music Festival. Sundays at Scioto is a longstanding event that the community wishes to
continue. There was some concern about the City subsidizing the Art & Music Festival
by waiving the fees. That could encourage the event to move forward when a cost
analysis might indicate that the Festival should not be continued. In addition, if the City
were to make a broad statement to waive fees for these events, would the City become
involved in more events than it originally anticipated? At this point, she would suggest
including a provision in the contract that the cost of City services for the Sundays at
Scioto concert series will be waived. Any other events must be reviewed through the
normal process to request a fee waiver. If it becomes apparent in the future that the Art
and Music Festival should become a regular event, the contract can be modified.
Ms. Salay inquired about the cost of City services for the Art in Public Places Program
for installation of the artwork. Would the contract provide for those costs to be waived
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on an ongoing basis with the proviso that the maintenance cost of the art pieces be
considered before the art is acquired?
Ms. Ott responded that the on -loan public art program is new. The cost of City services
has been estimated for the on -loan project, but it would be best to wait to see what the
actual experience is this first year. If the locations work out well, the anticipation is that
the sites will be re -used for future public art. With permanent art pieces, the installation
could be included in the total cost of the contract.
Mrs. Boring responded that she is not certain the installation should be part of the total
cost of the public art. In the past, after the art piece was provided to the City, the City
assumed the cost of site installation and all future costs.
Mr. Keenan agreed that has been the past experience, which has proven satisfactory.
Ms. Ott responded that the on -loan program is different. It would be best to wait until
the first year has passed to determine how best to proceed in the future with that type of
program.
Ms. Salay agreed. Although the present project is loaned art, future projects will likely
be different. Is there a line item in the City operating budget for this purpose. If not,
would it be helpful to have a separate line item?
Ms. Grigsby responded that there is not. Major public art improvements are included in
the Parks Maintenance/Repair/Renovation line item for the capital budget, and general
maintenance is budgeted in the annual operating budget. For example, the wall of the
Watchhouse project needed to be re -built this year; it was scheduled in the CIP budget.
Mr. Keenan noted that there is a key difference between installing the artwork on City
property versus private enterprise. The City would want to have control over any
installations that occur during the loan program on City property. When the loaned
sculptures are removed, how will the remaining foundation appear?
Ms. Ott responded that they have not discussed this, but it should be possible to
landscape around the cement pod. However, the locations vary between an active or
passive space in Coffman Park. Ideally, the sites should be reusable.
Mr. Guion stated that the artist he spoke with indicated that the foundation is a 6 -inch
round or square pad, which can be moved anywhere or put in storage if not wanted.
Ms. Grigsby stated that it is staff's intent to include in the agreement the understanding
that the City will provide ongoing maintenance of the permanent public art installations.
As part of the review/selection process, it would be advisable to allow Parks staff the
opportunity to review the proposed artwork and identify anything that could become a
maintenance problem. A good example of this need is the "Out of Bounds" project. The
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artist did not object to replacing the materials a few years after the initial installation
when the art began to fall into disrepair.
Mrs. Boring inquired if Mr. Guion has a continuing dialogue with Mr. Hahn regarding any
maintenance that might be needed for the public art.
Mr. Guion confirmed that he does.
Ms. Salay summarized that in regard to the cost of City services, the City will: (1) waive
the cost of City services for the Sundays at Scioto concert series; (2) maintain
permanent public art pieces; and (3) all other situations will be reviewed on a case-by-
case basis.
Mr. Guion noted that for the Art & Music Festival, DAC applies for a bed tax grant to
cover the cost of City services.
Ms. Ott inquired the number of Scioto Park concerts per year.
Mr. Guion responded that there are 6-8 concerts a year; this year there will be 8
concerts.
Mrs. Boring inquired if the amount of City services had been reduced.
Ms. Ott responded that the City provides set-up and tear -down assistance and traffic
control.
Mr. Guion responded that the traffic control or police presence at the entrance on
Riverside Drive has been eliminated. Today, City employees assist in the parking
process only.
Mrs. Boring inquired if there have been any comments about the elimination of that
service.
Mr. Guion responded that although he was surprised when the service was eliminated,
he has heard no comments about it.
Partnership with the Dublin Community Recreation Center.
Ms. Salay noted that Mr. Guion had suggested drafting a partnership agreement for
reciprocal use of DAC and Rec Center classrooms.
Mr. Guion responded that he has been working with the City Manager, Mr. Earman, Ms.
Burkholder and Ms. Rinella on a potential agreement for reciprocal use of space. A
handout on class offerings has been provided. As can be seen on page 2 of the
handout, currently, there are more Rec Center classes in the DAC building than DAC
classes. The City subsidizes 50% of the cost of Rec Center classes, and DAC cannot
compete with that arrangement. Missy Donovan, DAC Education Coordinator, has
been working with the Rec Center on opportunities for trading resources and cross
promotion, but it would be helpful to have a formal agreement.
Mrs. Boring inquired if the DAC classes are free.
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Mr. Guion responded that they are.
Ms. Salay inquired if the Rec Center classes are beginning level classes, while the DAC
classes are more advanced and provided by professional artists.
Mr. Guion responded that is true.
Ms. Salay inquired staff's view regarding providing for this arrangement in a formal
manner.
Ms. Ott responded that she would not recommend more than a good faith statement in
the agreement that the two agencies would work cooperatively to provide programming
and reciprocal use of space.
Mrs. Boring stated that before Mr. Guion became the DAC director, competition existed
between the Rec Center and DAC. She assumes that no longer exists.
Ms. Ott stated that she believes the competition was actually a lack of coordination. For
example, the City and DAC would, unknown to one another, both schedule pottery
classes. Coordination between the two entities has improved over the past two years.
Revision of Existing Lease to Remove/Relocate the Funding Level Info to a New
Agreement.
Ms. Salay inquired background on this proposal.
Ms. Ott stated that there has been a question regarding whether (1) the lease document
and (2) the bed tax funding commitment of a projected 25% in return for carrying out the
"art in public places" program should be in the same document. If the lease agreement
were separate and if the City should determine in the future that a better use of the
building than the lease agreement existed, that would be more easily addressed.
Mr. Keenan noted that the two agreements were linked initially because DAC was not
able to afford the facility without the guaranteed funding. However, the City is trying to
recover some of its costs, unlike the Chamber lease. The agreement was made in
2000, and it has served its purpose until now. The monthly rate has now increased from
$60,000 to $72,000. The funding was based upon a projected funding level.
Surprisingly, the existing funding is running very close to the actual.
Ms. Grigsby responded that is correct. At the time, it was anticipated that the actual
revenue would exceed the projections, and the difference between the two would go
toward the debt service. That may not work out as envisioned.
Mr. Keenan inquired her projection for 2007 bed tax revenue.
Ms. Grigsby responded that the fund is doing well this year. She would estimate
approximately $2.2M. Debt on the bonds is $170,000-$175,000/year.
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Mr. Keenan stated that of the projected $2.2M, DAC will receive $500,000.
Ms. Grigsby stated that this year the gap will exist, and the difference will go to reduce
the debt.
Mr. Keenan stated that the arrangement was attractive in 2000, but today, it could be
said that DAC is short $100,000.
Mrs. Boring stated that Council could have continued with the previous process, which
was that, annually, it was essential for DAC have its budget approved and to submit an
application for bed tax funds. This agreement was developed to provide DAC with the
needed funds and flexibility to manage its programs as they wished with very little
oversight. Considering the size of this community, the great effort it required to achieve
the agreement and the view of some staff members, she believes this agreement
remains a good arrangement.
Mr. Guion agreed.
Mr. Keenan agreed. The DAC Board would never have approved this lease without the
guaranteed funding.
Ms. Grigsby noted that when the 1997 ordinance allocating the 25% bed tax to DAC for
a period of 3 years was passed, the City did not own this building or have this debt.
That arrangement would be reviewed in 2007. The lease/funding agreement benefited
both the City and DAC.
Mr. Keenan agreed. The City wanted to preserve the Gelpi mansion and it also wanted
the 6 acres on the river.
Ms. Grigsby stated that the access to the river was very important.
Mr. Keenan stated that the arrangement addressed several issues at the time; it was
fair and did provide flexibility to DAC.
Mr. Pigman inquired how the lease would be amended.
Mr. Keenan responded that the lease would be separated from the operating
agreement.
Mr. Pigman inquired if the funding schedule would be adjusted.
Ms. Salay responded that it would not. The Committee's recommendation is to
separate the two agreements with no change in the funding.
Ms. Ott noted that one issue is that the ordinance approving the lease indicated that
DAC would continue the existing "Art in Public Places" program in its current form, but
those expectations were not documented. There is a need to clarify that now and for
the benefit of future councils.
Arts Education in Communities and Schools
Ms. Salay stated that the information provided regarding DAC's grant process was very
helpful. DAC designates 5% of their budget for community grants.
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Mr. Guion noted that their grant application process is complex and rigorous. Each
organization applying for a grant must be a 501 C3.
Mrs. Boring inquired at what point the grant money is paid. What if the money is not
used for the purpose for which it was granted?
Mr. Guion responded that, first, the organization must have submitted a final report for
the preceding year to confirm they met expectations that year. In some cases, the DAC
Board will contact the organization to verify that they are complying with the
expectations of the grant. Typically, the money is disbursed in two payments.
Mrs. Boring stated that in the recent case with the Emerald City Players, it would have
been helpful if DAC had been providing information on all its grants on a regular basis.
She was unaware of the issues involved.
Mr. Guion responded that the issue remained internal. His perception was that DAC
was entrusted with the money and DAC, in turn, would work with the organization to
ensure appropriate use of the funds.
Mrs. Boring indicated that she appreciates that. She noted that when Council authorizes
grant money for an event, they require the applicant to acknowledge the City
participation in their programs or some other way. She would encourage DAC to do the
same.
Mr. Guion responded that the requirement is part of the agreement with the applicant.
Mr. Keenan noted that the Finance Committee denied the Emerald City Players' grant
application on the basis that they had already received a grant from DAC. That money
is also bed tax money.
Mr. Guion responded that in addition to providing the Players financial assistance
through a grant, they also shared accounting and marketing advice and storage space.
Mr. Reiner stated that several years ago, there was criticism regarding inappropriate
grants to the schools.
Mr. Guion responded that they have addressed that issue. Today, DAC requires that
the applicant be a 501 C3 organization.
Ms. Ott inquired if there would be a need for a general statement that DAC will serve as
the lead organization for providing the education on the public art pieces?
Ms. Salay stated that it would be appropriate for DAC to provide the education.
Ms. Ott noted that the education component should cover more than the 8 Art in Public
Places pieces. The City has obtained other pieces outside the framework of that
program, such as the "Cartwheel" piece donated by RC Olmstead and the recent offer
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of Krema to donate an art piece. Including all the public art pieces produces a collection
of 30-40 pieces.
Mr. Keenan stated that discussion has occurred on different ideas for that educational
component, such as a booklet for use by the schools that includes all relevant
information about each art piece. There has also been discussion about an interactive
information kiosk on site with each art piece.
Mrs. Boring inquired if a brochure already exists.
Mr. Guion responded that they do have a brochure and a cassette tape to assist in a
tour of the public art sites.
Mrs. Boring stated that it would be helpful if the brochures were available at various
businesses and the local hotels. If DAC will be providing the education materials, they
should have assistance with the printing and distribution.
Mr. Keenan responded that this project would be appropriate for the Dublin Convention
& Visitors Bureau.
Mr. Guion responded that the brochures are in the local hotels and at the Dublin
Convention & Visitors Bureau.
Mrs. Boring responded that she would prefer to have a closer partnership effort for
distribution/dissemination purposes.
Mr. Keenan suggested that the public art education be tied in with the riverboxes. Clues
about public art pieces could be provided at the riverboxes to aid visitors in their search
for public art.
Ms. Ott noted that in addition to the riverboxes that DAC will install, others already exist
in community parks.
Mr. Guion noted that the reason for the riverbox project is that the community survey
revealed that access to the river ranks high in importance to this community. Through
this project, riverboxes will be provided at 6 access points to the river. Community
awareness of the riverboxes will be provided via the City, Historic Dublin and Dublin
Riverbox websites.
Ms. Ott noted that the Dublin Convention & Visitors Bureau could be involved in the
project, unless DAC believes it isn't necessary. If not, she would be supportive of City
financial assistance with the cost of printing the brochure.
Ms. Ott inquired if Council's direction is that DAC should serve as the lead with the
public art education component, with support provided by the City.
Committee consensus was that DAC serve as the lead in community education
regarding the City's public art.
Mr. Keenan suggested that staff develop draft legislation incorporating the changes
suggested tonight.
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Ms. Ott responded that Legal staff would work on a draft agreement for the August
meeting.
Expectations for "Art in Public Places" Program
Mrs. Boring noted that Mr. Guion has indicated that one of the purposes of this
agreement is to identify the expectations of the Art in Public Places Program, and he
has proposed language for defining public art for City/DAC purposes. Is the expectation
that the $75,000 could be used for any of the categories stated in that definition?
Mr. Guion responded affirmatively.
Mrs. Boring stated that one category listed in the proposed definition is performance art.
Is the intent that it would be possible for $75,000 to be spent to bring in a play from New
York, and no physical, permanent acquisition would occur? Are committee members
satisfied with that, or would the Committee prefer to be more specific on what the bed
tax funds could be used to purchase?
Ms. Salay responded that Council has been very clear the money should be used to
acquire a physical piece of art.
Mr. Keenan responded that was also his expectation. The goal was to, over time,
produce many physical art pieces throughout the community. While the Taiko drum
performance may be an art performance, it is not an art piece.
Mr. Guion responded that is a limited view of art. Art can be ephemeral or permanent.
If the City already has 30-40 permanent pieces, does it want more sculptures? He
would like the contract language to reflect the diversity of public art worldwide. He does
not want to limit the present program or the future of public art within Dublin.
Mr. Keenan stated that a performance may unquestionably be art, but it is temporary art
and gone in a day or two. The intent of the City's program is to provide art in public
places for the community.
Mr. Guion responded that he disagrees. Any art that occurs in a public place is public
a rt.
Mr. Keenan stated that he believes Council has voiced a specific intent for this program.
Ms. Salay stated that while she agrees with Mr. Guion's definition of public art, Council's
expectation is that this program will produce permanent pieces for the community.
Mrs. Boring stated that she appreciates the effort of Mr. Guion to incorporate as many
different options as possible into this program. However, Council's expectation has
been limited to physical, permanent pieces, and it would take an educational process to
alter that goal. While she would not object to the option being incorporated, she would
not want to see a performance every year. The program should provide something
"concrete" for the average citizen to touch and feel.
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Mr. Reiner stated he also agrees with Mr. Guion's definition of art — it can include many
aspects. But the taxpayers view the City's program as an investment for their money,
and they expect to be able to view the art. His recommendation would be that for this
program, that type of art should be emphasized. While the Taiko drummers were a
great experience, other performances may not be. He, as well as the other Council
members present tonight, are aware that the expectation of the public is for something
physical. He noted that physical art pieces do result in a need for ongoing
maintenance, while a visual experience does not.
Mr. Keenan asked what would prevent a future DAC Board from defining the Sundays
at Scioto concerts as "art in public places," therefore that cost of $37,000 is part of the
$75,000 allocation for public art?
Mr. Pigman stated that the anticipation of this dialogue is to produce an expectation
document for the funding source — the City of Dublin. The question is what are the
City's expectations and can DAC meet them. The document should be written to clarify
the primary expectations of the City. Mr. Guion has not stated that he cannot accept a
document with those limitations. He understands the City's need to be responsible to
the taxpayers. However, as a taxpayer, his reaction would be that the bed tax is not his
money; it's the money of those who have stayed in Dublin hotels. Perhaps that
provides more flexibility from the aspect of considering use of tax dollars.
Mr. Keenan responded that Council received many objections from the public when it
previously considered designating one percent of tax revenue for public art.
Mr. Pigman stated that he believes that was a great idea for the public art program.
Ms. Salay stated that she received many emails objecting to the proposal. One citizen
was upset with her comments that spending $200,000 on art was not too much. She
had the opportunity to educate the citizen on the intent of the process, however, and on
the fact that the money would not come from the City's minimal portion of property
taxes. It would be taken from the capital budget. The idea will take a significant
education process that, over time, she is hopeful will gain public acceptance. For the
purpose of this agreement, however, perhaps Mr. Guion's definition could be used in
the document with the statement that, in general, the program will produce permanent
pieces of art, but other options could be considered.
Ms. Ott stated that staff will work on the language with Mr. Guion. Perhaps the language
could define a process by which DAC could submit a request for consideration of a
proposal that would not be a permanent piece.
Mr. Keenan noted that he is not entirely opposed to other options, but the objective of
this discussion is to formalize/articulate the expectations for future councils and boards,
and this definition does not do that.
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Mr. Guion stated that he understands that, but he would not want to limit future art
organizations and future Councils by stating that public art must be a bronze statute on
a hill in Coffman Park -- that is very short-sighted.
Mr. Keenan responded that Council has never done that. Council has considered a
host of different options.
Mr. Guion stated that he has attended Council meetings and has read records of
Council proceedings, and he is aware of the direction Council is headed. He is trying to
expand the options.
Mrs. Boring stated that actually Council has encouraged different ideas to be submitted
— hence, the "Field of Corn." She believes it is appropriate for DAC to expand the
thoughts on public art beyond a fountain in the middle of a square.
Mr. Keenan stated that there are many options for permanent or temporary physical
works of art visible to the general public. The intent of Council, however, is to clarify the
language for the public art program and leave room for consideration of options.
Mrs. Boring stated that she would like to encourage DAC to approach the community
with new ideas.
Mr. Pigman responded that he would like to see that language included in the statement
of expectations.
Ms. Salay stated that the committee members should be able to explain their
recommendation to broaden the definition of public art to the Council members who
were not able to be present this evening. When the agreement is ready to be
presented to Council, it should be publicized in such a manner as to further educate the
public on Council's expectations.
Mr. Keenan suggested that a future option might be to fund the percentage for the arts
program through bed tax grants. If the City were to have experienced a shortfall, the
program would have been funded otherwise anyway — through the CIP. It would
eliminate some of the public criticism if some of the money was bed tax money and not
General Funds.
Ms. Salay responded that art is important to the Dublin community, and she believes it
is possible to gain the support of its citizens for a percentage for the arts program. The
unfortunate article in the paper upset the taxpayers.
Ms. Ott noted that staff is working on an article for the August -September issue of
Dublin Life regarding public art within the community. This is one way to improve public
awareness.
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Mr. Guion responded that is helpful to know for coordination purposes. DAC was also
interviewed by Dublin Life this week for an article on riverboxes.
Ms. Ott responded that Dublin Life sought both City and DAC input for the same article.
Ms. Salay inquired if staff has the direction they need to begin work on a draft
agreement.
Ms. Ott confirmed that they do.
Ms. Ott stated that the City would be responsible for drafting an agreement.
Mr. Guion requested that the points he submitted be considered in developing that draft.
It is important to eliminate future need for legal counsel to resolve questions.
Mrs. Boring requested that the draft agreement include the requirement for an annual
program report, not a budget report. A program report communicates DAC's policies
and expectations.
Mr. Guion responded that he has provided this information to Council on previous
occasions. He understands that with the volume of material Council receives for
packet, it is possible to misplace it.
Mrs. Boring suggested that the information be directed into one annual program report
to which Council can refer.
Ms. Ott noted that the City's public art intern, Stella Law, who is a master's candidate in
the Fine Arts Administration Program at OSU, will be writing her thesis on public art.
That should provide good information for the City.
Mr. Pigman thanked the Committee for the healthy dialogue — it has been needed.
Ms. Jarvis stated that there has been confusion about the interpretation of direction in
the past. This should eliminate much of that.
Ms. Salay responded that when that occurs, DAC should share any concerns with the
City's representative to the DAC Board or with Council. She is hopeful this dialogue will
result in a more positive relationship between all the parties.
The meeting was adjourned at 7:50 p.m.
Submitted by:
Deputy Clerk of Council