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COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
Wednesday, May 22, 2019
Minutes of Meeting
Mr. Reiner called the meeting of the Community Development Committee to order at 4:03 p.m.
in Council Chambers.
Committee members present: Mr. Reiner, Ms. De Rosa, Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes.
Staff members present: Ms. Goss, Ms. Gilger, Ms. Rauch, Mr. Kridler, Mr. Earman, Ms. LeRoy,
Ms. Burness, Ms. Richison and Mr. Plouck.
Approval of the Minutes
The approval of the minutes of May 8, 2019 was postponed.
Mr. Reiner suggested that the Committee hear the Fagade Improvement Grant application for
75 S. High Street prior to the other agenda items.
2019 Proiect Proposal — 75 S. Hiah Street
Mr. Kridler stated this is the first 2019 application and there are three potential applications that
are not ready to come forward at this time.
The property owner, David Galbreath, owns this building, which was formerly occupied by
Ha'penny Imports. The development case will be reviewed by ARB tonight, and should the
Committee and Council approve the grant application, it will be conditioned upon ARB approval.
The project's total investment in the property is over $76,000. For the grant application, they
are seeking the maximum grant available of $15,000.
The property is located at the southwest corner of S. High Street and Eberly Hill in Historic
Dublin. It was originally built in 1835 as a single -story stone house. The second floor was added
in 1890.
There are seven components of this project that align with the grant guidelines. The largest one
is the northeast patio. At ARB tonight, the owner will propose the creation of a new patio to use
for potential retail or a new tenant — 300-350 square feet, surrounded by wrought iron fence.
The height would be the same as the existing front porch and materials would be stone, brick,
and iron/steel. They also propose replacement of eight windows, consistent with Historic District
guidelines. They plan to replace the front porch roof; add 70 linear feet of wrought iron fencing;
conduct some wall repairs; do some additional work on the front porch as well as some patio
and landscape design work. He shared an image of the current view of the side of the building,
and an image of the proposed patio. They are also proposing a patio to the rear, but this would
not be an appropriate item for the fagade grant. The discussions with the potential tenant
indicate favorable feedback regarding the patios and engagement with customers.
David Galbreath, 4203 Hertford Drive, Dublin stated that they have a lease that is contingent
upon the bar/restaurant having the use of a patio. The rest of the building — the front porch,
roof, gutters -- are being redone to operate better and correct existing issues. They did try to
make the front of the building as inviting and open to High Street as possible, and tried to tie in
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the front porch without changing it. They want to keep the existing brick walkway in place,
adding the step into the patio. There are actually 11 windows being replaced. They are not
modifying the limestone or the existing materials on the building, but simply adding to it and
repairing what exists.
Mr. Reiner asked if any parking spots will be lost with these changes.
Mr. Galbreath responded that the area referenced was never an actual parking space, although
it was used by a previous tenant as such.
Mr. Reiner stated that he assumes that the Ha'penny business will no longer exist in the future.
It was a nice addition to the community. He asked if there is any interest in cutting out a
window and making it into a door to accommodate the restaurant.
Mr. Galbreath responded that as part of the lease negotiations, the owner is paying for 100
percent of the exterior improvements. When a door option was offered to the tenant at the
tenant's cost, they opted not to have a $5,000 door in that location.
Mr. Reiner asked if the fence is tubular metal.
Mr. Galbreath responded it is a wrought iron, solid fence — not tubular.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes asked if the limestone is thin cut.
Mr. Galbreath responded it is actual limestone — real stone.
Ms. De Rosa asked for clarification about the patios.
Mr. Galbreath responded they are simply extending the front porch to the north at the same
level of 12 feet. They are actually adding two patios — one is in the rear for the back entrance
to the building. Staff did not consider the rear patio as a public use, so it was not included in
this grant application. The front porch will remain exactly the same as it exists, with the patio
added as an extension at the same height. It will be a seamless transition to a brick patio.
Mr. Reiner asked if the tenant name can be disclosed.
Mr. Galbreath responded it is a wine bodega — a wine bar that sells wine as a retail store. They
will serve cold foods, so will not need a full kitchen.
Mr. Reiner noted they will need to secure the liquor licenses as well.
Mr. Galbreath responded that is correct.
Mr. Reiner stated this will be a nice addition to the downtown Dublin area.
Ms. De Rosa commented that the materials seem appropriate in the Historic District.
Mr. Galbreath confirmed that the brick will match what currently exists on the sidewalk.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes moved to recommend to Council approval of the grant of
$15,000, conditioned upon ARB approval of the Minor Project Review for the property.
Ms. De Rosa seconded the motion.
Motion carried unanimously.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes asked if this grant application will be part of the discussion at
ARB tonight.
Staff confirmed it is not part of the ARB consideration tonight.
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Pedestrian bridge opening events and dedication
Mr. Earman stated that there is interest in beginning the discussion of ceremonial activities that
will coincide with the bridge opening. Ms. LeRoy will provide a brief presentation regarding
discussion points for this evening. Staff is seeking the Committee's input.
Ms. LeRoy stated that the goals are to celebrate the connection between the Historic District
and the Bridge Street District and to activate both districts during this event. They have worked
with HDBA and Crawford Hoying, and both are very excited about being involved in these
activities.
In terms of opportunities and challenges, there is a limited viewpoint for the entire bridge
length. Since the Riverside Crossing Park is not completed, there is no staging area on the east
side, and limited space on the west side.
Mr. Reiner asked about the east side and whether there will be any pavement completed or
landing in place.
Mr. Earman responded there will be a temporary access that will head immediately to the north
once exiting the bridge. This allows enough space for the construction of the plaza areas to
access the intersection. There will be a limited space available, but it will be paved with asphalt
and will be fenced.
Ms. LeRoy continued with challenges, noting that the uncertain opening date -- potentially at
the end of the year could bring weather challenges. However, in a couple of years, the new
park will have a grand opening, and so this bridge opening is a step in the process toward
opening of the entire park.
She noted that she, Ms. Burness and Mr. Kridler serve on the Downtown Dublin Strategic
Alliance and the group, which includes the City, HDBA, Crawford Hoying, DCVB and the Dublin
Historical Society have indicated their support of all of the activities. The DAC and the Library
have expressed interest in the event and have ideas about activating the bridge.
Some of the ideas for discussion tonight are: What do we see the bridge opening consisting of?
There will be a ribbon cutting, of course. There could be a separate ceremonial component with
local officials, key stakeholders and the construction team. Perhaps a separate "Bridge Day'
could be scheduled for families to enjoy the bridge, walk the bridge on the first day, and enjoy
activities in the Districts. Given the weather, it may not be feasible to have any outdoor stages,
but activities would be held throughout that day. Staff is seeking input from the Committee
about what specific things they want to see and what they do not want to see.
Ms. De Rosa asked about the east side from a landing perspective. If the bridge is open, it will
have to be accessible to everyone. For the actual park area — around the holidays, there are
Christmas festivals with tents, etc. in parks. Will the property be in such a condition that those
things are possible on that parkland?
Mr. Earman responded it will be nearly impossible. The temporary bridge access provides the
staging area for the construction site. Once that park construction begins, it will be very muddy
with lots of orange fencing and cones in place. The grounds around it will be infiltrated with
vehicles and equipment.
Ms. De Rosa asked for confirmation that people will still have access to walk to the bridge,
correct?
Mr. Earman responded there will be a paved path from the intersection at Bridge Park that will
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take a pedestrian to the bridge itself.
Ms. De Rosa asked why, then, the park area will not be possible to use.
Mr. Earman responded that the lawn area will continue to be in its current state, due to the
construction equipment housed on site.
Ms. De Rosa stated that is unfortunate, as the winter festivals occur at this time of the year.
Mr. Earman added that once the actual plazas are in place, the City can have a very large
opening ceremony for the park and the event can be completely different. The bridge
dedication is challenging as the bridge is being opened for public access, but there is no
location for staging an actual event of any kind right at the bridge.
Mr. Reiner stated that it sounds as if the ribbon cutting would be a low key ceremony, given the
limited area available. When will the restrooms be completed to allow a larger celebration?
Mr. Earman responded that the first phase of construction will be the upper plaza, with the
lower plaza soon following. Staff is hopeful that the temporary access can be moved when the
upper plaza is available. That will give the construction area for the lower plaza its own space,
and the pedestrian traffic will come straight through the upper plaza versus through a
temporary access.
Mr. Reiner asked about timeframes.
Mr. Earman responded the upper plaza area will be completed within a year after construction
begins; the hope is construction will begin by the end of this year.
Ms. De Rosa noted that in the near future, near the bridge will be a muddy area, as he has
indicated. However, there is a fair portion of acreage that is now a field. Is it feasible to use this
area for any activities? It would not be near the park crossing, but further north. It seems if we
are to have an event or activity, standing in the cold and cutting a ribbon and having cake is
not an appropriate opening for this project.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated it would be similar to what was done with the downtown
garage — simply an acknowledgment that it was open for parking. She does not understand the
value of investing time and energy in this ceremonial event until there is something large
enough for people to enjoy and it is finished enough to give a feel for this major project. She
suggested having something similar to what was done with the Ryder Cup — a party in the park
and talking about the connectivity, and celebrate that at a point that is appropriate, at an
appropriate time of year, and when there are appropriate facilities in place. She is not
advocating not celebrating the pedestrian bridge opening, but does question the timing.
Ms. De Rosa asked for staff input about their thinking.
Ms. LeRoy stated that staff believes people are excited about the bridge opening, so it should
not be downplayed. She recalled her own family member who was at a bridge opening between
Louisville to Indiana, and there was a commemorative gift — coin or ribbon — that her aunt
retained her entire life. She has the same feeling with this bridge — people will remember
walking across it with their children and grandchildren on the first day it opens. Her thinking is
making this more about having families come out that day, and providing an appropriate
commemorative item. Having activities in Bridge Park and Historic Dublin related to this bridge
opening day would also be appropriate. Staff does not advocate having a City event around the
bridge opening, but having the HDBA and Bridge Park partners celebrate this experience
throughout the day.
Mr. Reiner noted that he believes that when the plaza is ready, there should be a huge
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celebration, weather being conducive to that. But the completion of this pedestrian bridge itself
is very important, as people have been anticipating this and the business partners on both sides
of the rivers will likely be interested in hosting activities.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that an acknowledgment of the bridge completion is
definitely appropriate. She recalls when the SR161 Bridge was reconstructed and then reopened
in the 1980s, and a large bridge party was held. It was a very nice celebration and a great
coming together of the community. She would like to see a similar celebration for this bridge,
but is not certain that the pieces are in place to do so. In addition, she does not want anyone to
think that the project is finished, given the various elements that are still under construction.
Mr. Reiner recalled when the Emerald Parkway bridge opening took place, which was during the
winter.
Ms. LeRoy stated that it was in December and the oldest resident traveled across from one side
in an historical vehicle and the youngest resident came across the bridge in a new VW beetle.
The two high school bands met in the middle and performed.
Mr. Reiner stated that perhaps the planning is premature at this time, as the business partners
and restaurants will be interested in participating in the bridge opening. As far as the temporary
asphalt path, he suggested this be upscaled a bit, as it will be the path to use until much later
in the construction phase.
Vice Amorose Groomes suggested it could be painted the same color as the bricks.
Mr. Reiner suggested that stamped asphalt would work well and would provide a better look for
this temporary path. On the temporary path that connects the end of the bridge into the new
area, some type of lighting needs to be provided that is attractive.
Vice Amorose Groomes stated it could be the Edison type of bulbs strung overhead that give a
rustic, yet festive look.
Mr. Reiner stated it is important to have lighting for this path.
Mr. Earman commented that this path will be shown in the 60 percent of park completion
drawings that will come to Council very shortly. He believes the path is 10 feet and is through a
construction zone, which will require fencing to be in place. There is a lamp post lighting
scheme included. If the Committee proposes enhancing this, staff can certainly look into doing
this.
Mr. Reiner agreed that staff should review options for enhancing this path, as suggested by
Committee members.
Ms. Burness stated that from a public relations perspective, this is a great story — one of the
key messages is celebrating the long awaited bridge opening, yet letting everyone know the
project is not finished as Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes has indicated. Staff does believe there is
an opportunity to attract both local and national media.
Mr. Reiner stated that is a good point — the opening brings positive media attention to the
businesses and restaurants in the area. These are all important milestones in the
redevelopment of Dublin's downtown.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that perhaps the entire park will be ready to open on a
Memorial Day, Labor Day or Veterans Day and this could start a new tradition for those
community ceremonies.
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Ms. LeRoy stated that the Downtown Dublin Strategic Alliance group has talked about this —
hosting an annual event that could be initiated when the park opens and would be a tradition to
be sustained going forward.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes suggested that the perfect timing would be Veterans Day, with
the ceremonies that take place in the Dublin Cemetery. The park opening on that holiday would
not only connect the new and the old buildings on either side of the river, but would bring
people into the area south of High Street as well. However, the park completion date is
obviously the key factor and is not yet known.
Mr. Reiner stated that Mr. Earman raised a good point about the temporary path being in a
construction zone with fencing. Perhaps graphics could be on that fencing with images of the
future park on both sides of it. A well -lit path with attractive graphics would encourage people
to use the temporary path.
Mr. Earman agreed, noting this is an opportunity to build anticipation for the other elements
coming in the near future.
Mr. Reiner noted that orange construction fencing is not what is envisioned.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that post in ground fencing — not movable fencing - would
be appropriate in this location for this purpose.
Ms. De Rosa stated she is not certain about the availability of electricity to this path, but
perhaps the fencing could be interactive. In London, they are redoing the tube stops and in
each of the stops they have enormous graphics and some type of interactive activity. It is
therefore interesting to walk through, even during this reconstruction process. She asked if staff
has any suggestions about who travels across the new bridge first.
Ms. LeRoy responded there have been some preliminary discussions, whether a jazz band from
the high school or other musical group. The goal is to make it fun for everyone who crosses the
bridge that day.
Mr. Reiner stated that on the bridge opening day, he is certain that the restaurants and
businesses will have promotions tied to it.
Ms. De Rosa noted that the staff memo raised the question of naming of the bridge.
Mr. Earman stated the first question is if the City wants to name the bridge; the second
question is how to go about it, if naming is desired.
Ms. De Rosa stated that her thinking is that we really want this to be the Dublin bridge, the
people's bridge. From her perspective, if it has a name, it must include "Dublin" or it must have
something representative of Dublin — not an entity and not an historical figure. Absent a formal
name, people will give it a name for reference purposes.
Ms. Burness agreed, that if the City does not name the bridge, the people will do so. Based on
what she has heard, people would likely refer to it as "The Bridge at Bridge Park." She does not
think that is aligned with what the City would desire.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that if a name is to be given, it should reflect more about
connectivity than being a bridge. The goal was to build a connection, not just a bridge — maybe
the Dublin Connection could be considered.
Ms. De Rosa stated her desire is that "Dublin" be part of any name given to the bridge.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes added that a bridge is just a thing, but a connection is something
that takes place as a result of having a bridge.
Mr. Reiner noted he is not certain it needs a formal name.
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Ms. De Rosa stated that, in any case, the bridge will likely have a nickname decided by those
who use it — should the City decides not to name it. If the City does want to name the bridge,
is staffs question through what process that would be done?
Mr. Earman responded affirmatively.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated she would not support having a naming contest.
Mr. Reiner stated he would prefer the bridge remain unnamed.
Ms. De Rosa agreed that a naming contest would not be her preferred process.
Ms. Burness asked if the Committee wants staff to brainstorm some names, based on the
direction/discussion. The Committee could then review the staff suggestions to determine if any
should be considered by Council.
The Committee agreed with this course of action.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes added that there is a short list of potential contributors and it
would be important not to select anything in conflict with those.
Ms. De Rosa noted that it is likely some name will come up that people will gravitate to. That is
a fairly normal process.
Mr. Reiner added that he believes it is too early for all of this planning, given all of the partners
involved who may not be thinking about activities during the bridge opening. When it is closer,
they will likely be more involved.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that the timing is again key. Thanksgiving would be a
great opportunity for a lot of relevant activities.
Mr. Earman summarized that the question for the Committee is does Council want to name the
bridge, and if they do, what is the process preferred?
Mr. Reiner stated he does not want to name the bridge.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes and Ms. De Rosa agreed that they want to name the bridge, but
it is too early to do so.
Mr. Earman stated that staff will therefore bring information back, based upon today's
discussion. Should this come to Committee or to the full Council?
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes suggested the information be vetted by the Committee for
recommendation to Council.
Mr. Reiner stated that the Committee's concern, as expressed today, is that the temporary path
be improved aesthetically with lighting, graphics and plantings.
Mr. Earman asked for clarification — does the Committee desire having a ceremony on the
bridge opening day or after the plaza is completed? Does the Committee want to have a ribbon
cutting for the bridge opening itself?
Mr. Reiner responded that the Committee has agreed that a ceremony is desired for the bridge
opening, as it will communicate to everyone that the bridge is open.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that the ceremony could be similar to the one held at the
parking garage.
Mr. Earman asked if the Committee envisions the ribbon cutting at the center of the bridge or
on the ends.
Ms. De Rosa responded that is an interesting consideration.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes suggested that the ribbon cutting take place on the West Plaza
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and bridge as there is space to accommodate those attending. Then the East Plaza could have a
ceremony in conjunction with the park opening.
Ms. LeRoy stated that there were 30 people at the garage ribbon cutting; she estimates this will
have double that number or more.
Mr. Reiner commented that he believes there will be a huge turnout for the bridge opening,
whatever the weather, and they will all want to cross it.
Ms. LeRoy stated that staff will likely promote more of the bridge day activities and include
information about the ribbon cutting that will take place.
Ms. Burness added that the library has a great vantage point looking over the West Plaza, so
she envisions some people watching from the second floor of the library, then walking across
the bridge when it is open. Since this will occur during the holidays, the businesses can wrap
the bridge opening around their marketing.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated she is not opposed to having the focus on the west side,
as these businesses have endured a lot with all of the projects underway.
Mr. Reiner added that the West Plaza has the space to host the ceremonies. He is anxious to
see what promotions the businesses will do for the opening.
Ms. De Rosa asked if staff is seeking feedback on "Bridge Day' as listed in the outline for the
Committee review. That is an interesting idea.
Ms. LeRoy responded that staff will review and discuss ideas with the Alliance and then bring
them back to Council with a more fleshed out plan.
Ms. De Rosa clarified — her question is whether staff wants feedback on the using the phrase
"Bridge Day."
Ms. LeRoy responded that staff just is using this as an umbrella for activities.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes reiterated that she hopes that the opening of the park could
coincide with Memorial Day or Labor Day, providing an opportunity to create enhanced
community celebrations on these important holidays.
Fagade Improvement Grants
2018 Proiects Update
Mr. Kridler reported that more applications are expected to come forward for this grant
program.
He reviewed the projects that have been completed through the grant program:
1. Dublin Barber Shoppe (owned by Jack and Eula Price) roof replacement at 24 S. High
Street. Because they had a grant for the roof work, the owners were able to renovate
their second floor for future office space. He shared pictures of the building renovations.
2. 113 S. High Street (owned by LPL Financial) roof replacement. They also built a new
structure in the rear of the building. The owner renovated the existing building and they
are moving to the new building on the first floor. They have a tenant for the historic
building, and the second floor of the new building is available for office space in Historic
Dublin.
Mr. Reiner noted that it would have been worthwhile to screen the air conditioner, power cables
and utilities — either with white picket fencing or landscaping to finish off the building.
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Ms. Rauch stated they did new landscaping and perhaps all of the improvements are not yet
installed. Staff will look into this.
Mr. Reiner stated that staff could suggest they paint the black pipes white, as they would be
less visible.
Mr. Kridler added that the site is still under construction, so all of the improvements are not
complete.
Ms. De Rosa asked about the current office space rental rates in the District. She has heard
from some people that the rents are fairly high.
Mr. Kridler responded that their intern is working on a project regarding the average cost per
square foot as well as business operating hours in Historic Dublin. They want to gauge to what
degree the rental costs have increased, as well as if the retail hours are being maximized. When
this site was first listed for rental, he recalls it was approximately $26-27 per square foot.
Ms. De Rosa stated this is a higher rental rate than she would have estimated.
Mr. Kridler noted that he is not certain if they reduced their initial rental rate offered. But the
market in any case is increasing for office rental in Historic Dublin.
Ms. De Rosa stated she would be interested in reviewing this data when it is completed by the
intern.
Mr. Kridler continued:
The next part of the 113 S. High Street project was to create a walking path from the
front of their building to the back and some landscaping. He shared the before and after
photos. They maximized their grant, and $43,542 was their private investment eligible
for the grant funding of $15,000. The additional building investment was over $200,000,
which represents a sizable investment in Historic Dublin.
Mr. Reiner asked if staff encourages property owners to use bricks or pavers for their walkways
to retain the historical feel.
Ms. Rauch responded that in this case it involved connecting a new building with an old
building, and they selected a more contemporary material.
Mr. Reiner asked if the meters could be hidden via landscaping or by painting them white. Staff
could suggest this for future projects as an inexpensive way to hide these items.
Mr. Kridler continued:
3. The third project is Bottom Line CPA, 53 North High Street, which is located next to the
library. It is halfway completed. He shared before photos of the existing walking path.
The owner matched the pavers of the library path and tied it into the actual library path
as opposed to having two walkways next to each other. Because of his communication
with the construction team and Engineering, this idea came forward. He shared a photo
of the existing front of the property, which will be replaced with the same pavers as are
in Historic Dublin. It will be completed in the next week or two. The total private
investment for this project is $15,000, and the grant approved was for $7,500.
Future of Facade Program
Mr. Kridler commented that, based on comments during Committee grant reviews about
concerns with replacing roofs, a roof replacement must also include different items being
improved, i.e., windows, etc. Staff believes that some of the roof replacements that have been
funded through the grants have allowed additional investment in the properties.
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Ms. De Rosa stated that the roofing choices do upgrade the feel of the buildings. They have
enhanced the appearance and are in keeping with the spirit of the grant program.
Mr. Kridler stated that as this program is evolving, some questions have come up related to
some recent potential applications.
1. The program currently does not specify whether or not the project needs to be for a
historical building within Historic Dublin or simply for a commercial building within
Historic Dublin. For example, Timeless Skin Solutions in Historic Dublin has interest in
doing some upgrades to their building. This is not technically a historic building, but is a
commercial building within the Historic District that staff believes adds to the character
of the District. Prior to moving forward, staff wanted input from the Committee.
Ms. De Rosa stated that the goal is to help property owners invest in their properties in order to
keep up the value, etc. She would be inclined to support this.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated the question is does anyone know that this is not a
historic building. Timeless Skin Solutions building is very well done and very interesting, and
adds character to the District. Conversely, the Tudor building nearby does not contribute to the
historic nature of the District. However, she is not certain how historic character contribution
could be articulated in criteria from a Legal standpoint.
Ms. De Rosa stated that there should be criteria regarding contribution to the historical nature
of the District to assist. She does not have a good sense of the numbers of non -historic
commercial buildings versus the historic commercial buildings in the District.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes recalled from the Historic Inventory that were approximately 15-
20.
Ms. Rauch stated that there is a small number. Perhaps this consideration should be
incorporated into the criteria.
Mr. Reiner agreed, suggesting that the criteria be written that the building appears historic.
Some of the 1950 stucco buildings could change their fagade to make them appear historic. He
would be interesting in supporting such a grant, but would not be interested in supporting a
grant application for renovations of a building that does not add to the historic nature of the
District. Maybe some language of "leading to a more historic appearance of the building" needs
to be added in the criteria. The concept is to create a unique historic downtown with the
elevations of the building.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that perhaps architecture style that is time period
appropriate could be added to the language. This would eliminate concrete block or Tudor
buildings that are not in that category. Whatever buildings are constructed should represent the
time period at which this portion of the City would have been developed. Criteria are very
important to address this concern.
Ms. Rauch stated that much of the criteria listed on the website includes language of
"appropriate detailing that lead to substantially enhance the appearance, restoring historic
features, improving the architectural integrity, etc." Perhaps some of this needs to be tightened
up.
Ms. De Rosa agreed that language about adding historic features, not simply replacing in kind
would be important.
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Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes and Mr. Reiner agreed
Mr. Kridler stated that, currently, if a property owner is awarded a grant, how long they have to
wait to apply for another grant is not specified. For the Beautify Your Neighborhood Grant
program, applicants can reapply every three years.
Ms. De Rosa clarified that new applicants have a higher priority in the BYN grant program
versus previous grant recipients. If there are grant funds remaining, the repeat applicants were
considered.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes noted that she likes the ability to shorten the time for
reapplications if funds are available. She recalls that the criteria for BYN did not specify the time
period for applying again.
Ms. De Rosa stated it is not specified. This issue came up in this year's BYN grant review.
Mr. Kridler stated that a previous grant recipient for the HD fagade program now wants to do a
second phase that includes replacement of windows and landscaping. The question was if there
is a time restriction for a grant recipient to apply again. His second question relates to using the
second half of the maximum $15,000 grant available to complete the upgrades to the property,
as the previous grant awarded was for $7,500.
Mr. Reiner stated that the question is one of taking taxpayer money for a grant to renovate a
commercial building that is rented out. This is using taxpayer money to fund private
development ventures. He understands the intent of the fagade grant program, but believes
that window replacement is not an appropriate item.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes noted she agrees. The only reason she supported the application
for 75 S. High St is because it activated the street with a patio. Moving forward, she would
prefer not to include windows — but only items that enliven the street. The 75 S. High Street is
a historic building and the owner is using high quality materials of real stone, brick and wrought
iron. The windows are to match what is already in place. However, for the property next to the
library, she does not believe taxpayer dollars should be used for new windows. The sidewalk
does activate the street network and the front steps and porch improvements are appropriate
items. She would support a three-year restriction on applying for another grant after a grant is
received.
Ms. De Rosa stated that she would support the three-year restriction, but could support an
exception if there are funds remaining at the end of the year and the grant application includes
a worthwhile project. In that case, she would be willing to make an exception.
Ms. Gilger pointed out that this grant program is funded with non -tax revenue. The funds are
generated from the monies collected by the City in fees and service payments, and are the
same monies the City can use for economic development incentives per the Ohio Revised Code.
Staff can provide information to Council about what funds come into the City on a non -tax basis
that are available for incentives and grants.
Ms. De Rosa stated that this is good information, but the spirit of this discussion still holds.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes added that for accounting purposes, it may be non -tax revenues,
but in terms of public opinion, these are all taxpayer dollars. She understands there is a
distinction, as pointed out by staff.
Mr. Kyle stated that, based on this discussion, the applicant should have included his entire
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improvements in one project and one grant application. The Committee has provided input that
the grants are designed not for general maintenance but for catalytic type projects.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes clarified that the fagade grants are for items that engage the
community. The Dublin Barber Shoppe was different, in that it is the oldest Dublin business.
The preservation is related to the culture of the community. She believes that a church, school,
barbershop are all elements of a great historic district.
Mr. Reiner stated that the goal is to encourage the evolution of a great historic district.
Ms. De Rosa asked how much grant money in total has been awarded to date.
Mr. Kridler stated that the program began last year. Two $15,000 grants plus a $7,500 grant
were awarded in 2018 with a total budget of $100,000. The grant requested tonight is for
$15,000 and a total of $100,000 has been budgeted for 2019 for grants.
Ms. De Rosa stated that the goal is to award these grant monies to achieve the goals of the
program.
Mr. Kridler noted that there is more interest being expressed in the program. It is important to
focus on the total private investments in the projects taking place. This meets the intent of the
program of encouraging investment in Historic Dublin.
Ms. De Rosa asked that a memo summarizing these investments would be important for the
report to Council. The before and after images are very impressive, and this has been a good
program for Historic Dublin.
Historic Dublin Sandwich Board Sian Grant Program
Ms. Rauch stated that discussions have occurred as part of the Bridge Street Code update about
how to address sandwich board signs. This has also been a topic at ARB — the quality of the
sandwich board signs, how to encourage quality signs, and recognizing the cost to small
business owners for high quality sandwich board signage. As the historic sections of the Code
are being updated, there has been discussion of requiring that wood signs be used versus
plastic. The messaging piece is more difficult to regulate, obviously, as it relates to content.
They want to encourage that the message be conveyed in creative ways. Staff is seeking
feedback on the approach to this. The second proposal is if the Committee would support
offering the opportunity to use fagade grant monies to encourage those using sandwich board
signs to convert to upgraded ones.
Ms. De Rosa asked about the cost for a high quality wooden sandwich board sign.
Ms. Rauch responded it is in the range of $300 and up.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that a really creative wooden sandwich board sign could
be much higher in cost. In walking the District recently, she counted 11 white, plastic sandwich
board signs that were not creative and not attractive. This prompted discussion of whether this
would be appropriate for a fagade improvement grant — bringing forward an interesting design
for a sandwich board sign that would be reviewed by the Committee and Council. Grant monies
could significantly offset the cost of a high quality sandwich board sign. After that time, the
signs could be done through a permit basis.
Mr. Reiner recalled that discussion about sandwich board sign quality has been ongoing for
decades. He recalled discussion years ago about the Bridge Street District, and that all of the
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sandwich board signs were to be very creative and unique. Hours were spent in this discussion,
but it has not materialized. There were problems in the past in the Historic District related to
the narrow sidewalks and how they could accommodate sandwich board signs and not impede
pedestrian traffic. He is disappointed to see the proliferation of the plastic sandwich board
signs, as well. The desire was for artistic sandwich board signs related to the business.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated she supports making these part of the fagade grant
program. She also wants the plastic sandwich board signs to be collected and have a permit
required for a sandwich board sign that is located in the pedestrian realm. The requirement
would be that such a sign be of pedestrian interest.
Mr. Reiner added that it should be of artistic merit that helps to advertise the business.
Ms. De Rosa stated that the City also needs to address its own sandwich board signs. Many of
those are not of the appropriate quality. The example was cited of the Lowe's bucket with
concrete supporting the panhandling -related signs.
Mr. Reiner asked if sandwich board signage should be assigned to staff for Legal review.
Ms. Rauch stated that, currently, there are no materials specified in the Code for sandwich
board signs. There are clear requirements regarding pedestrian interference and location
requirements — within six feet of the door to a business. The Code language would need to be
tightened in both the Bridge Street Code as well as the Historic District revisions and that can
be done. Staff would also need to determine how creative use of such signs could be
encouraged, such as the sandwich board signage in front of Jeni's.
Mr. Reiner stated that what was envisioned in the Bridge Street District for signs has not been
achieved.
Ms. De Rosa added that the first few businesses that opened in the Bridge Street District
brought signage proposals to PZC with corporate logos.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes added that they largely proposed internally illuminated signs.
Ms. Rauch stated there are sign guidelines and the sign code in place, but it is looked at in the
context of the whole development.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes recalled that PZC proposed there be a graphics commission for
signage, but that never was supported. Easton has a Graphics Commission in place.
Ms. De Rosa stated that she would support having sandwich boards be part of the fagade grant
program.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes asked for estimates of the costs of these signs.
Mr. Reiner stated it would depend upon the quality and who makes it.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes suggested that the grant award could be up to $1,500 for the
sandwich board signs in order to have a high quality sign.
Ms. De Rosa agreed, stating this could be piloted.
Ms. Rauch stated that the goal is to have businesses in compliance in regard to sandwich board
signage.
Ms. De Rosa stated that having this program available would add interest and character to the
District. She reminded staff that the City does need to address its own signage about
panhandling.
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Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes stated that permanent posts are needed for those signs versus a
sandwich board resting on a concrete bucket.
Ms. De Rosa stated that some of the event signage is also of poor quality and plastic.
Ms. Crandall stated that the sandwich board signs for panhandling were intended to be
temporary and mobile. At this point, even the sign itself is not in good condition. Staff will
review this.
Ms. De Rosa stated that there are other temporary signs that pop up about events and activities
being promoted by the City. It would be desirable to improve the creativity and quality of those
signs.
Ms. Crandall agreed.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes suggested that it would be desirable to have signs that served
multiple purposes. Signs are posted for Community Service Day, for example, each year.
Mobile is not necessarily bad, but the signs should be of high quality.
Mr. Reiner commented about the panhandling signs, reporting that the panhandler was
discarding the City signs prior to the concrete bucket being put in place. So this was a
temporary fix.
Ms. Crandall stated that she will notify Ms. LeRoy about Event signage to explore options.
Mr. Reiner asked if staff needs further direction about the Bridge Street Code and the creative
signage desired.
Ms. Rauch responded this will come forward as part of the Bridge Street Code review. The City
can allow such creative signage, but cannot require them to have such signage under the
current Code. There are master sign plans that are in place that would require that applicant to
come forward to make it more stringent. It is unlikely they will volunteer to do that. But moving
forward with other projects, the language can be made stronger about creative signage.
Ms. De Rosa stated that the current guidelines include examples, and a lot of work went into
that.
Vice Mayor Amorose Groomes commented that Council needs to gives Planning staff direction
not to come forward with a recommendation for approval if the signage is not great. Starting
the Council review with a staff recommendation of approval for something that is not great
makes each step of the process more difficult to obtain the desired outcome.
Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 5:34 p.m.
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