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PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE
Tuesday, May 26, 2015
Council Chambers — 6:30 p.m.
Minutes of Meeting
Ms. Salay, Chair called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
Committee Members present: Ms. Salay, Chair; Mr. Reiner and Mr. Lecklider.
Council members present: Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher
Staff members: Ms. Readler, Ms. O'Callaghan, Ms. Husak, Mr. Anderson. Mr. McDaniel arrived at
8:00 p.m.
Ms. Salay moved to approve the minutes of the February 24, 2015 Public Services Committee
meeting.
Mr. Reiner seconded the motion.
The minutes were unanimously approved.
Ms. Salay stated that the purpose of this meeting is to discuss homeowner association (HOA)
maintenance of common areas, in particular, City -owned land.
Background
Ms. O'Callaghan stated this is a complex issue with multiple factors that impact it:
• There are many unique situations in existence within the City.
• The process has evolved over the years.
• Negotiations have been involved in each situation.
• Each neighborhood is unique and wants its own identity, so there is a pride issue involved.
• Each neighborhood has different expectations for level of maintenance. City maintenance
levels might be sufficient in one neighborhood, but not in another.
• Equity/fairness issue and different philosophies contribute to that.
• There is no "one size fits all" solution.
• There are a few cases of HOAs which the City pays to maintain City -owned property for
which the City is responsible for maintaining. In those situations, the City pays what it
would expect to expend on a yearly basis to maintain it to the City's standards. The HOAs
add those funds to their budget for annual maintenance activities, paying the difference to
maintain to a higher level than the City's level. There are three examples of this situation:
Muirfield, Ballantrae and Woods of Indian Run.
Mr. Lecklider requested an example of a neighborhood having a different maintenance
expectation.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that one association might pay for six rounds of fertilization per year
whereas the City would typically anticipate fertilizing three times. The number of mulchings done
would be another area of difference, as well.
Mr. Reiner stated that another good example is the right-of-way to Muirfield. The HOA bids
out/awards contracts for annual maintenance. City mowing was substandard to the HOA's
expectations, so the City pays them the usual amount expended, and the HOA has the area
mowed to a higher standard. That has worked well.
Ms. O'Callaghan confirmed that the City issues a check for that amount each year, after which the
City is no longer involved in the maintenance. There are three HOAs with this arrangement.
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Mr. Lecklider noted that that is a distinct minority of the HOAs; they are the exceptions.
Ms. O'Callaghan noted that she mentioned them for information only; they are not part of the
discussion tonight.
Process and Philosophv
Ms. Husak stated that for Planning's purposes, the open space land that is required to be
dedicated to the City and is received is regulated in the Subdivision Standards. As part of platting
of lots and rights-of-way, the City has a codified process in place that requires certain amounts of
open spaces to be set aside. There are two specific Code sections; they contain calculations that
are fairly small. The Code specification for the open space area is two percent of the overall site to
be platted; it is .03 acres per dwelling unit proposed in the plat. There is also another land
dedication requirement for recreational facilities — 0.025 acres per unit. The overall requirement
for the Riviera development is only about 13 acres, approximately 8% of the site. Typically,
developers approach the City with proposals for subdivisions, which provide the City with more
open space than what is required. In the last 10+ years, conservation design principles have had
an impact on how developments were laid out. The goal was to strive towards 50% of open space,
so the City has received much more land than required - - 30 — 50% of open space on the entire
site. Planning works with the Parks Department to determine appropriate areas to be maintained
by the HOA versus areas to be maintained by the City. That depends completely on the location of
the open space and the intended use; entry features are not maintained by the City. The final
decision is memorialized in the development text and on the plat, as well.
Mr. Lecklider stated that because no two pieces of land are the same, and no formula can be
applied in every case, it is an arbitrary decision.
Ms. Husak responded that it is arbitrary beyond the requirements of the subdivision regulations.
Sometimes, there is a tradeoff — a higher density than the Community Plan provides for more open
area than is required.
Mr. Lecklider noted that the homeowners are not part of the negotiation, because there are not
homeowners. It is a negotiation between the developer, staff and the Commission, and they
ultimately impose this burden on the homeowners.
Ms. Salay stated that in recent years, Council has become aware of issues some HOAs have had
with the cost of maintaining large amounts of open space — Cramer's Crossing was one of them.
As a result, the City assumed the responsibility of maintenance of some of those areas. Since then,
the City has paid more attention to what the burden might be.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that as part of that planning process, Planning staff consults with Mr. Hahn,
Parks Director. He has been involved in evaluating any requests for relief, as well. Each time the
City has received a request for relief, we have learned from that, and the practice has evolved.
Legal has provided an opinion that the process we are utilizing is legal and enforceable. It also
outlines the remedies in the event the HOA were to cease fulfilling their obligations.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated the maintenance responsibility of open space is not codified; it is
determined administratively. It is an informal and internal process. It is negotiated specific to each
subdivision, on a case-by-case basis. In 2002, CSAC reviewed the issue and recommended to
Council that a formula be utilized in these negotiations and the rezoning process. There was a
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desire for a "one size fits all" formula. The formula was used for a couple of years, but because
each subdivision is unique, the formula did not work.
Ms. Salay stated that she wondered what had happened to the formula.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that the formula is a ratio of 36 homes/1 acre, but the issue is that one
acre could have several ponds, just turf, and all landscaped beds — unique circumstances exist for
each subdivision.
Current Practice
The issue is handled on a case-by-case basis. There are guidelines that staff uses as the
subdivision is going through the development process. Generally speaking, the
HOA maintains: the frontages, entrance features, reserves not accessible to the community as a
whole. The City maintains: reserves planned to have public park amenities; reserves that are
accessible to the community as a whole.
The philosophy has been two -fold:
(1) reserves are viewed as an amenity of the community as a whole, but are most beneficial
to the enhancement of the immediate neighborhood, and ultimately impact the
immediate neighborhood's individual properties the most.
(2) Each neighborhood will have its own preferences as to the type, amount and expense of
its own entryway to include entry features and reserve areas.
She showed a map of City -owned property, as well as maintenance responsibilities. This
information is based on the best information they have from City records including plats,
agreements and consolidated databases. As depicted on the map:
• Public areas currently maintained by HOAs total approximately 200 acres.
• Areas of joint maintenance responsibility total approximately 100 acres. One example of
joint maintenance is a pond for which the HOA is responsible for paying for the electric to
the aerator, but the chemical treatments, etc. are the City's responsibility. There are many
other examples of joint maintenance.
• Areas of City maintenance total approximately 1,542 acres.
• The Golf Club of Dublin is not included, as it is a different arrangement.
• Some of the larger areas maintained by HOAs included Tartan Ridge — 36 acres; Tartan
West — 66 acres; Wyandotte Woods — 32 acres. Next largest area is 8 acres.
Mr. Lecklider stated that Wyndham Village (his subdivision) does not have a funded HOA. He pays
no fees for the purpose of maintenance. There are two ponds and a large open space area, which
the City mows. He does not understand how that area is depicted on the map as jointly
maintained.
Mr. Anderson stated that the City doesn't maintain the very small entry features that are located
there. The City maintains the ponds and grass.
Ms. O'Callaghan provided slides of examples of current situations. There are no issues with these;
they are for illustrative purposes. These examples show how the process has evolved.
• Lowell Trace - 1987 — no maintenance responsibility is shown on the plat. Today, it is
indicated on the plat, so it is clear who is responsible for an area. In 1987, maintenance
responsibility was handled by an agreement.
Ms. Salay inquired if that agreement was handled by a meeting with staff and the HOA leadership.
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Mr. Anderson responded that Mr. Hahn met with the HOA leadership out in the field, and they
came to an agreement on the responsibility. He does not know if the agreement was put in
writing.
• Hawks Nest — 1996 — the plat clearly indicates that the reserves are owned and maintained
by the City of Dublin. The entrance fee and landscape islands are to be maintained by the
HOA. The City maintains the reserve areas.
Mr. Lecklider inquired how it was determined that the City would maintain those reserve areas,
due to the argument that could be made that this is an amenity that enhances the values of that
particular neighborhood.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that she believes it would have been because the goal is to have HOAs
maintain their entry features, and the City will maintain the frontages around that, which are
accessible to the community.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher stated that the City had also said that it wanted 200 -foot setbacks along
Brand Road, which would have included this subdivision.
Ms. Salay stated that in addition, the multiuse path system is routed through this location, which is
accessible to the public. It is a very prominent roadway frontage.
Mr. Lecklider stated that along Hyland -Croy, Post Preserve and Park Place subdivisions, early
products of the City's conservation design efforts — are still required to maintain that open space,
which is substantial. There are multiuse paths through that area, as well. It could similarly be
argued that is a benefit to the community. Conservation design was in part for the passerby to
have that vista.
• Tartan West — 2002 — The plat indicates the reserves are owned by the City and
maintained by the HOA. The area includes many amenities in terms of ponds, beds and
turf.
• Wedgewood Glen — 2005 — The plat specifies the reserves to be owned and maintained by
the City. The entranceway is more elaborate than is typical. This HOA recently applied for a
BYN grant.
Inventory and Estimated Cost of Maintenance
Data has been compiled that, according to City records, inventories all the areas that are being
maintained by HOAs. It is our best estimate of the quantities of items contained within those
areas, as well as the total estimated annual cost of maintaining those areas. These costs are based
on City current contract prices; they are not the actual costs that the HOAs reported. The City took
a holistic view of all the areas maintained by HOAs and applied the City's current contract cost to
compile a total cost of maintaining those areas.
Mr. Reiner inquired if this included Muirfield, as it is maintained by an HOA.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that the City is responsible for maintaining that area — it provides a
check to Muirfield for the annual maintenance.
Mr. Reiner stated that the property is owned by the Association, but the Association's costs for
maintenance are $1million+ per year.
Ms. Salay clarified that what is being considered is public space that is publicly owned.
In Muirfield, it is all privately owned. Any other open space areas that are privately owned are not
included on this map either.
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Mr. Reiner inquired what is the small section on Memorial Drive that is depicted as City maintained.
Mr. Anderson responded that it is the Mt. Zion Cemetery.
Mr. Reiner noted that other than that very small area, the City is paying nothing to maintain that
entire quadrant of the City.
Ms. Salay noted that the public cannot use the multiuse path nor use the Muirfield open space
area.
Mr. Reiner responded that the public can do so.
Ms. Salay responded that signage indicates otherwise.
Mr. Reiner stated that the Glick Road path now runs across the Muirfield path and they work
together to save the City money. Muirfield residents agreed to permit those paths to be
incorporated to avoid the need for the City to incur additional expense. The public bicycle trail
there runs along the Muirfield Association paths.
Ms. Salay inquired if the Muirfield Association paths are now open. There are still signs in place
that indicate they are for Muirfield residents only.
Mr. Reiner responded that the only areas where that is not true is where the paths don't meet
standards. When the subdivision was originally constructed, there was no bicycle trail concept. The
paths installed by the builder have slopes and bridges that do not meet any of the current
standards for a public bicycle trail. The reason signs are posted in those areas is not to be
exclusive, but to avoid potential lawsuits. However, the HOA has said to the City that if the City
would upgrade the 20+ miles of trails, they could become public amenities. To date, the City has
not taken action to do that, so the homeowners continue to bear the total cost of that
maintenance. In essence, they are doubly taxed.
Ms. Salay inquired if the Glick Road multiuse path will meet Dublin's standards.
Mr. Reiner responded affirmatively.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher cautioned that what the City pays for maintenance is not necessarily what
the homeowners pay. The City receives better pricing because it has greater volume than HOAs.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that staff looked at the prices conservatively, because the City's
contract areas are typically more complicated areas to maintain. The City maintains the areas that
are more efficient to maintain. Using the City contract prices, the total estimate to maintain all
those areas is $309,000 plus tree replacements as needed.
Mr. Reiner noted that it is not a very large number for the entire City; in fact, it is surprisingly
small.
Mr. Lecklider inquired the total acreage.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that the cost can depend on the amenity, but for mowing, it was based
on 85.4 acres of turf, three applications of fertilizer, with beds making up approximately 6.6 acres.
This number was compiled using aerials and approximating the area; it is not precise, just an
estimate. The area is comprised of turf, ponds, beds and woods.
Mr. Reiner inquired the City's cost of maintaining the other areas of the City.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that she does not have that number with her, but it can be compiled
and provided.
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HOA Dues Information/Survey
In 2002, the HOAs were surveyed. The average annual fee per household at that time was $90-
$100 for maintenance of the common areas. The difficulty of evaluating the information was
separating the true maintenance of publicly owned lands. HOA dues typically include many other
items.
Mr. Reiner inquired about the typical expenses for an HOA, other than mowing and landscape
beds.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that they can cover social activities and maintenance of their buildings.
HOAs typically go above and beyond basic maintenance, so those expenses are separated out.
Ms. Salay stated that it depends on the HOA. She was speaking with a resident of one
neighborhood, which holds five events per year for their residents. She inquired if, in arriving at
the $163 amount, the numbers on the chart were divided by the number of responses received.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that the number of $163 has been used since the 2008 survey, and
Muirfield was not included in those results. The spreadsheet she provided is based on the 2015
survey data. The survey was sent out earlier this month to their list of HOA contacts, however,
only 30 of 84 responded. There remains some scrubbing that is needed with the data. In response
to her questions regarding calculations — she totaled the dues and divided by the number of
responses. It is a rough estimate.
Ms. Salay stated that there are five condominium associations that have only private open spaces.
There is a condominium association that pays $400+ a month.
Ms. O'Callaghan responded that that some of the HOAs may have provided monthly fees, rather
than annual. She pulled out some responses that appeared to be anomalies.
Mr. Reiner stated that condo HOA fees typically include exterior maintenance costs of the
structures, as well. It would be difficult to determine the portion for lawn care. For the Muirfield
Association -- is the average annual cost per homeowner for open space maintenance $841?
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that was the survey response. The Muirfield HOA and Civic Association
numbers were not used in the calculation, however.
HOA Requests for Relief
Requests for relief are evaluated by the Parks Department. Mr. Hahn uses a quasi -policy in place
to evaluate the requests. These are the factors that have been used:
• Is there a financial hardship? Reasonableness determination.
• Does landscape design itself result in extraordinary maintenance cost?
• Have HOA -initiated improvements resulted in extraordinary maintenance cost?
• Are ponds serving a stormwater function?
Over the years, records indicate staff and Council's opinion that stormwater features should not be
HOA -maintained. There are some situations, however, where that is in existence.
Mr. Reiner stated that although ponds can be used for a stormwater function, he doesn't know if
the City should be required to maintain them all.
Ms. Salay stated that some ponds are maintained by the City and some are required to be privately
maintained -- that is one of the issues that needs to be discussed.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that at one time, a clear decision was made that the ponds should not be
HOA -maintained; but there have been a few handled differently since that time.
0 Are non -routine repairs and maintenance included in costs?
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An example of this type of situation would be if the HOA decided to replace all the shrubs with a
different type of shrub. That would not be routine maintenance.
• Level of maintenance in comparison to City level of maintenance?
Typically, these requests are evaluated against the City's level of maintenance standards, such as
the number of fertilizer applications. Goose control and irrigation costs are included in HOA fees as
well.
Three HOA Relief Requests Approved by Council
• Meadows of Wyndam Village — 2002
• Request for relief of maintenance of 1.614 acres of turf
• Annual cost of $456/household.
• City average cost per household for maintenance was $90-$100.
• Ordinance 82-02 - hardship determination was made, and the City assumed turf
maintenance and mulching of trees along Brand Road.
Mr. Reiner stated that if Muirfield maintenance costs had been included in the calculations, the
$90-$100 stated above would have been much higher — if the average annual cost per homeowner
for open space maintenance is $841. Perhaps the formula the City is using to evaluate need for
relief is based on a number that is much too low.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that if more of the HOAs had responded to the survey, particularly those
with larger maintenance responsibilities, it would have significantly changed that number.
Ms. Salay stated that the key factor is that Muirfield open space is privately owned; public open
space is owned by the City.
Mr. Reiner stated that the original intent of the greenspace in subdivisions was to enhance
appreciation of the subdivision. A large section of Muirfield is on right-of-way viewsheds along
Memorial Drive and Muirfield Drive.
Ms. Salay pointed out that the City pays to maintain those rights-of-way.
Mr. Reiner responded that the City pays to maintain only the Muirfield center strip. The HOA is
paying for everything else. He suggests that perhaps the $90-$100 reference point is too low.
• Cramer's Crossing HOA — 2008
- Request for relief of maintenance of open space, retention pond, aerator
- Annual cost of $385 per household
- City average annual fee per household for maintenance was $163
- Resolution 15-08 - hardship determination made. City assumed turf maintenance and
maintenance of pond aerator and associated utility cost.
Cramer's Crossing Village Condo Association — 2009
- Request for relief of maintenance of Reserve H (pond, well, aerator, electric, irrigation,
turf, landscape beds, muskrat removal)
- Annual cost of $193 per household
- City average annual fee per household for maintenance was $163
- No hardship determination. A reasonable determination made: City assumed
responsibility for stormwater retention basin chemical treatments only located in
Reserve H (because it was connected to the pond in Cramer's Crossing that the City
was responsible for treating, and the water flows together.)
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• Pending Request — Village at Coffman Park
- Request: relief of responsibility for pond maintenance
- Currently 11 homes. Development approved for 66 homes.
- Annual cost of $768 per household
- City average annual fee per household is $140
- No decision made — pending policy discussion
Options
1. Status Quo — The current practice, which has been in existence for many years, is
negotiated with the developer. Only three requests for relief have been approved
over the years, so that could be an indicator that the status quo is working.
2. City could retain responsibility for all stormwater systems/structures.
3. HOAs could utilize the Beautify Your Neighborhood Grant Program for funding
assistance. Some neighborhoods have done so. The criteria do allow for
maintenance, although there needs to be some improvement made along with it.
4. City could take over responsibility for maintenance of all common areas with the
exception of neighborhood entrance features. The estimated cost is $260,000.
(Total maintenance estimate of $309,000 - $47,000 for entryway
features= $260,000)
5. City could take over responsibility for maintenance of all common areas with the
exception of neighborhood entryway features and either charge back the HOA for a
portion of the cost, or vice versa (either a 50-50 sharing or another reasonable
amount).
Ms. Salay stated that Tartan West has an elaborate landscape treatment along Hyland -Croy Road,
essentially a vineyard. That is a specifically themed neighborhood. She is not certain that it would
be appropriate for the City to assume the maintenance for that open space. She personally is in
favor of the City maintaining City -owned open space with the exception of the entryways.
Examples such as Hawk's Nest and Lowell Trace maintain only their entry features. Park Place,
which is similar to Hawk's Nest, has a different arrangement. She considers this a parity issue.
The Tartan West vineyard is different, however, so the resolution would need to be worked on to
arrive at an equitable place. The City can enforce deed requirements where there are forced and
funded homeowner associations, but what if there is a situation where there is no voluntary HOA
leadership?
Ms. Readler responded that, ultimately, the City's remedy in regard to voluntary associations is
limited. The City has enforcement power when the requirement is contained in the development's
text and plat. That provides a Code enforcement mechanism, which can be pursued in Mayor's
Court or a "municipal court." The homeowners, who comprise the HOA, would be the responsible
party. The City would have to demonstrate that they were violating an explicit condition.
Ms. Salay stated that there are parts of Coffman Park, close to the creek, that the City has allowed
to remain natural. The purpose is to filter stormwater to enhance the water quality.There are some
areas in which the creek cannot be seen due to the weeds, honeysuckle and other overgrowth.
This is City parkland and the City is choosing to maintain it in that natural fashion. Couldn't an HOA
respond to City enforcement by arguing that their choice is a natural area? How would the City
handle that situation?
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Ms. Readler responded that there are different standards for what constitutes maintenance. Some
HOAs would have higher expectations; some would have lower. The City has only the explicit
requirements in the zoning text. Where there is not a clear remedy, the Law Department would
not advise pursuing enforcement. In the future, the City will need to be very explicit in reviewing
the zoning text, if a certain level of maintenance or type of treatment is expected.
Ms. Salay inquired if she believes the zoning texts she has reviewed in the past have been
sufficiently explicit.
Ms. Readler responded that with the most recent zoning text -- Riviera, delineation has been made
about how certain reserves will be used.
Ms. Salay stated that the City has many neighborhoods that are not so explicit. Essentially, what
this would mean is the City suing its own residents.
Ms. Readler responded that is not a choice that the City wants to make, but where there are Code
issues, that is ultimately the remedy.
Mr. Reiner responded that the City is simply conducting its standard code enforcement. If a group
of homeowners were to refuse to fund grass mowing for their subdivision, the City would utilize
the typical code enforcement process and require them to cut their grass. That is the normal
course of action.
Ms. Readler stated that the property maintenance code is invoked regularly in the City.
Mr. Reiner stated that process is utilized regularly in Muirfield. Enforcement is pursued through
Franklin or Delaware County courts, and homeowners are required to clean up their property.
There is nothing wrong with the community exercising aesthetic requirements on itself.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher stated that it was her understanding that the text for some HOAs stated
specifically the kind of landscaping that was to occur. Many of the HOAs have not arbitrarily made
those decisions.
Ms. Readler responded that, for example, the HOAs can choose from a palette of trees.
Ms. Husak responded that, typically, those details are worked out with the Final Development
Plans. For the last 15 years, the City has detailed Final Development Plans for all of the open
spaces. The City works closing with HOAs, and any departure from those plans, such as occurred
recently with Park Place, must seek and obtain Planning and Zoning Commission approval. In
particular, for the low maintenance, natural areas, staff attempts to ensure the expectations are
clearly understood.
Ms. Readler noted that the boundaries of these areas are often identified by signage to help clarify
the maintenance expectations.
Mr. Reiner stated that over the past years, the City has required forced and funded HOAs with all
of its zonings. It is only with the older zonings that this is missing, and with some of those, the
City has had to authorize some remedies.
Ms. Salay stated that the leadership of HOAs have always been willing to do what they are
required to do.
Ms. Readler stated that the forced and funded HOAs have taken more advantage of the BYN
grants because they have more formalized leadership and the available matching funds.
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Ms. Salay responded that it seems then that the associations that really need the assistance do not
have the ability to take advantage of that option as they are not forced and funded.
Mr. Reiner noted that in a case of forced and funded HOAs, the buyers are more motivated
because when they sign the warranty deed to purchase their home, they are informed of the
process and their required participation. The City has some situations that predate organized
municipal processes, and the City is still trying to address those more antiquated situations.
Mr. Lecklider stated that his neighborhood is not that old. While they don't have a large amount of
open space that they are required to maintain, the neighborhood suffers. They are not able to get
anyone to take responsibility for their entry feature. In the first ten years, the neighborhood had
an active HOA, but that has not been the case in recent years. He supports the idea that the entry
features serve to enhance the neighborhood. He wishes that his neighborhood had a forced and
funded HOA. However, that does not mean he would support the idea of his HOA maintaining
ponds or the acreage at South Avery Park.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher inquired, if there is no forced funded HOA, what percent of the members
pay HOA fees.
Mr. Lecklider responded that he does not believe there are any. Their HOA leadership exists in
name only; there is no collection of fees for 200+ homes.
Mr. Reiner stated that the BYN grant is a good remedy for some of the funding needs for entry
feature maintenance. Unfortunately, this year, there were few grant applications. That indicates a
minimal amount of interest by those communities. It is the HOA's responsibility to meet that need,
not the local government. The City has already gone to great lengths to make grants available for
that purpose. It is disheartening that more communities are not interested in obtaining and
utilizing the money.
Ms. Salay responded that it is a matching grant. The HOA has to contribute half the funds and the
volunteer labor for a project. The BYN grants the City has made are not to HOAs where there has
been a failure, but to HOAs that are enhancing above and beyond what they already have, such as
Campden Lakes.
Mr. Lecklider clarified that he is not suggesting that the City should maintain their entry feature.
However, his neighborhood lacks the necessary organizational structure and the matching funds.
Even in the earlier years, when they had arbitrarily set fees, there was far from 100%
participation.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher stated that when she lived in Donegal Cliffs, which also does not have a
forced and funded HOA, there were only two people who did not pay; everyone else paid.
Mr. Reiner stated this is related to civic pride, which is what he would like to see encouraged.
Mr. Lecklider responded that he would favor a forced and funded HOA for his neighborhood
because his neighborhood is too large in respect to number of homes, and because of the way it is
designed, does not have cohesiveness. Donegal Cliffs is designed in a way that lends itself to that
kind of cohesiveness. Most neighborhoods are smaller, such as Lowell Trace, and it is much easier
to organize the residents than a neighborhood of larger size. His neighborhood is spread out,
blends into adjacent neighborhoods, and lacks distinct boundaries, other than the entry feature on
Avery Road. It is difficult to recognize where Wyndham Village begins and ends.
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Ms. Salay stated that in reviewing the chart, it appears that the condominium associations are
skewing the math. In addition, only 30 neighborhoods responded and staff is not confident of the
numbers they provided. However, there are three issues the Committee can address:
1. Entry ways
She is in favor of neighborhoods maintaining their own entryways, which is a uniform practice
throughout the City. It makes sense to keep that status quo.
2. Public open space
To the extent the City can define the larger public spaces, the City should maintain those.
Small open space areas within neighborhoods should be maintained by the neighborhood.
Neighborhood frontages containing public bikepaths should also be maintained by the City.
3. Villages at Coffman Park
This is the pending issue. The pond in question is stocked with fish and is a very popular
public park. It should not be maintained by a condominium association, but should be publicly
maintained. Currently, the HOA is paying to maintain that area but it is not their private land.
One discussion point with the recent Riviera rezoning application was that it will be 50% open
space and how will that be maintained — privately or publicly? Going forward, she believes it is
important that the land the City will take title to should be public open space and publicly
maintained. It would be area that the City anticipates would be visited by more people than
the neighborhood residents. She believes Riviera should be looked at in terms of how it could
be opened up to the public. For example, will there be a public bikepath? It is important to
ensure that it is a public amenity if the City is going to maintain it.
Ms. Salay inquired if Council were to decide that the City will maintain the public land, would we
also deed some of the private land over to the HOA? Is there HOA -owned land in some of these
subdivisions?
Ms. Readler responded that there is some, but not a significant amount because of current City
policy. In some circumstances, there is HOA -owned and maintained land. If the City wanted to
take over the responsibility, as suggested, staff could develop a policy for that. The difficulty would
be that many of these restrictions are in the zoning text and on the plat. The issue would be how
the City memorializes that policy so that future property owners know that the plat notation is no
longer effective. If only maintenance responsibilities are changing, staff can determine
appropriate ways in which to do that. If land is actually being deeded back and forth, that will
involve more review.
Ms. Salay stated that it seems to make sense if HOA/privately owned land is maintained by the
HOA, all public land is the City's maintenance responsibility.
Mr. Reiner stated that of the options suggested tonight, because of the differences between the
HOAs'he believes they should be handled on a per unit/per request basis. He does not believe
the City should change its current practice. He agrees with Legal staff's conclusion that "as a
result, the City could be faced with substantial expenses and time-consuming maintenance
responsibilities for areas of land that primarily benefit individual landowners." He believes that is
true. A significant portion of the Muirfield HOA meeting discussions over the last 30+ years
concluded that the HOA should continue to maintain the property that abuts the road because it is
really in competition with Tartan Fields in selling their homes. The issue is property values and the
interests of the citizens. The City has gone to great lengths to provide monies for HOA
maintenance responsibilities. He does not believe the City should pay for maintenance of some
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citizens' private viewsheds along the road right-of-way. They should be willing to invest some
money, time or energy based on pride of their community — that is something the City should
encourage. He is not in agreement with the concept of a monolithic government that takes care of
all its citizens' needs. Residents have some responsibility to take care of their personal properties.
Of the options suggested, he prefers Option #1 — keep the status quo. He believes that with
current practice, Council has addressed complaints and decisions accurately. He believes that it is
unfair for Council to spend taxpayer revenues to keep their property values up. Because it is "their
community," the City should expect them to take care of their property or find enough interested
parties within their neighborhood to step forward and do something for the common good of that
community.
Mr. Lecklider inquired if there are examples that exist elsewhere of publicly -owned or City -owned
property being maintained by the residents or neighborhoods. Dublin does many things differently
for the ultimate betterment of the community. Is Dublin's current practice a standard across the
country and in central Ohio?
Ms. Readler responded that not many communities have public land dedication and private
maintenance. In most communities, if the HOA owns the property, they maintain it.
Mr. Reiner stated that the practice has always been that the HOA takes care of it, or the land is
deeded to the City. Then it is a City park.
Ms. Salay inquired if he is saying that publicly -owned land should be publicly maintained. That is
her position as well.
Mr. Reiner responded that when subdivisions in the City are planned, part of the aesthetics
planning along the roadway is for the enhancement of the personal value of the homes within that
subdivision. As Legal staff has indicated, that is a personal benefit to the people who live within
that subdivision. He does not believe it is the City's responsibility to maintain that land.
Ms. Readler stated that Legal staff was asked to provide an opinion regarding whether the City's
current practice was legally enforceable, and that opinion was provided in a memo. The conclusion
simply stated that if the City decides to vary from past practice, it will be necessary to memorialize
that accordingly. If it is Council's decision to do so, this can be memorialized.
Mr. Lecklider inquired if other communities impose the responsibility of maintenance of publicly -
owned land upon the residents in the neighborhoods. Is that commonplace or the exception?
Mr. Reiner stated that he objects to the language of "impose" maintenance responsibility for public
land. The purpose was not to maintain public parkland that is publicly used, but rather for the
aesthetics of the public land that would be for the benefit of the community. It was not for a park
along the right-of-way. It was not provided for common grounds that are a park space. That is an
entirely different space and is not part of the platting or planning of a subdivision. It is the
aesthetics of the setback, whether it is 50 or 100 feet, that belongs to the subdivision and adds to
the value of that subdivision.
Mr. McDaniel stated that it was during his former role as Service Director in 2002 when the City
began to look at this issue. It was after the City had completed about 15 years of planning in
somewhat of a vacuum relative to the impact of having the ability to fund and maintain. At that
time, staff did look for that practice throughout the country — and found it is not typical. They had
difficulty finding such a practice relative to communities such as Dublin. We found a few, but they
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could find no uniform policy. What was resolved in 2002, and he believe in 2008, as well, was that
the City was attempting to identify a common denominator. One of the resolutions agreed upon
looked at the number of homes to acreage denominator. After 2002, staff tried to be very
cognizant of how much acreage was being dedicated. The 200 -foot setback on Avery Road and
turning west on Brand was the catalyst for the 2002 review. With the Villages of Coffman Park,
although 66 homes were approved, the development did not build out. Therefore, the amount of
land that was dedicated is maintained by 11 homes. There have been a few such imbalances that
have come forward and have caused Council to look at this issue citywide. The question is if,
because Council has had to look at a few, it is necessary to reinvent the entire citywide approach.
He does not believe that it is necessary for Council to do so. In 2008, the City agreed to assume
responsibility for the stormwater component. Staff did not believe that responsibility should be
handled by the HOAs. The City preferred to assume the responsibility for the ponds, due to the
necessity for the City to address those issues. The City did not assume responsibility for the few
entirely private ponds surrounded by private homes, to which the public does not have access, and
which are not part of the greater stormwater system. He does advocate the City assuming
maintenance of the private ponds, but only those ponds that tie into the stormwater system. The
acreage issue for mowing purposes is where a common denominator ratio could be used. Outside
of those two issues, the neighborhoods have all been developed very differently. He agrees that
that the property values of the homes are impacted by the property associated with that
neighborhood; it is an amenity to that neighborhood. With the forced and funded HOAs, the
homebuyer is buying into that when they buy into the community.
Ms. Salay stated that an example of a modern subdivision is Hawk's Nest. Their HOA maintains
their entry feature, but the City takes care of everything else around it. They have a pond,
plantings, and a bikepath meanders through the public area — which is probably why the City
assumed the maintenance responsibility. On the other hand, in the Park Place neighborhood, there
are ponds -- likely stormwater -- and a bikepath meandering through the area, but the
neighborhood has 100% of the maintenance responsibility.
Mr. McDaniel responded that it might have been determined by the ratio of number of homes to
acreage. Although Hawk's Nest does have quite a few homes, that issue was negotiated up front.
He recalls that there was an issue with Wellington, and, looking at the ratio of homes to acreage,
the City assumed some of the maintenance. Although the HOA retained responsibility for the
mowing, the City assumed responsibility for the pond and some tree replacement.
Ms. Salay stated that the City has handled this on a case-by-case basis; there is no policy. Does
staff recommend continuing that practice? The City assists those neighborhoods that have the
wherewithal to request the Beautify your Neighborhood grant. Those who don't must continue to
pay for it all.
Mr. McDaniel responded that he is making no recommendation. His point is that Council has
looked at this issue on at least four occasions. Each time, an attempt was made to define a one
size fits all approach. Although it would be desirable, it is not easy to do. To date, the ratio of
homes to acreage and removal of the stormwater responsibility from the HOAs seemed to achieve
a closer level of parity. If there are some neighborhoods that are struggling where the City has not
taken a closer look, perhaps that should occur.
Ms. Salay stated that Bristol Commons pays nothing to an HOA. Yet, they have a huge, elaborate
entry feature that is maintained by the City.
Mr. McDaniel responded that it is part of the setback along Brand Road. He recalls when that was
negotiated, he was concerned about the maintenance burden being placed on the City for decades
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in the future. With Bristol Commons, it was more of a dedicated, park -like setting. The City took
the barn and all of the frontage, believing it was a great amenity for the City to own along that
road. However, the text probably does not address maintenance responsibility for those reserves.
Ms. Salay responded that is because the City is responsible for all of it.
Mr. McDaniel stated that the policy shifted in the mid to late 1990s. The City began to question
whether it could sustain maintenance of all of those areas into the future -- at that time, the City
was only 40% built out. Was it a sustainable model? The answer was no. For that reason, the
City began to reference responsibility for maintenance of the reserves in the development text.
The second phase of that was concern that the City had over -reached with that effort, and was
the level of responsibility sustainable by the HOAs. So we have tried to find a common ground. It
has been a policy evolution over time. It may not be perfect, but the City has tried to achieve a
sustainable resolution. It is a hybrid model — what the HOA can sustain and what the City needs to
do to soften the impact. There may be a day in the future when Muirfield says they cannot sustain
that maintenance responsibility any longer.
Ms. Salay responded that Muirfield is privately owned land, though. There is no public open space
in Muirfield, other than the small cemetery.
Mr. McDaniel responded that his point is that it is possible that Muirfield could one day find it is
unable to sustain that level of maintenance responsibility and request the City's assistance --
similar to what it has provided to others.
Ms. Salay inquired if Muirfield would then dedicate their land and make it public. She would not
object to that, if the entire City has access to that parkland system.
Mr. Reiner stated that if this policy changes, he would be the first to suggest to the Board that
they dedicate the land and reduce their HOA fees. He concedes the point that he presently has
the benefit of one of the best two-mile, planned road networks in the country, which was laid out
in arcs and tangents by landscape architects. However, the Muirfield homeowners do not receive
any benefit from the viewsheds to the left and the right. If it were to come to that, he would
recommend that they relieve themselves by handing over the $2 million responsibility to the City.
Ms. Salay inquired what parkland in Muirfield the HOA is maintaining.
Mr. Reiner responded they are maintaining all the rights-of-way along all those roads. There is a
misunderstanding of Muirfield. Years ago, they chose to assume that burden, basically double -
taxing their residents, to maintain the aesthetics of that community. Over the past 20-30 years,
the City of Dublin has spent almost no dollars on parks and amenities in Muirfield. It is not private
land; they can be viewed as easily as those of Lowell Trace.
Ms. Salay stated that her point is that Muirfield's parkland is not public.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher stated that there is no parkland in Muirfield. The only thing that the HOA is
taking care of, and has from the beginning, is the bikepath and the greenspace next to the
bikepath. There is no park in Muirfield.
Ms. Salay responded that it is all golf course and private open space that is accessed by paths.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher stated that is just a bikepath, a bikepath like the City's.
Ms. Salay inquired if the homeowners own land up to the bikepath.
Mr. Reiner responded that it is platted entirely different. There is greenspace on either side of the
bikepath. A couple of the homeowners were unhappy that a bikepath used by the public crossed
behind their properties.
Ms. Salay clarified it is not really public; it is private.
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Mr. Reiner stated that a number of years ago, Muirfield had asked — and he had publicly
announced -- that Muirfield would turn all the bicycle paths in Muirfield over to the City, if the City
would agree to bring them up to standard. The only reason they are not publicly used as they are
is to avoid lawsuits should accidents occur because they are not built to the current standards.
Ms. Salay responded that they are private in Muirfield. In the rest of the City, the open space,
bicycle paths and trails — are all public; the golf course at the Golf Club of Dublin is a public club.
She suggested the Committee separate the public and private items for discussion purposes.
Mr. Lecklider inquired about the estimated cost of the maintenance for Riviera open space.
Ms. Husak responded that all of the open space is intended to be owned by the City.
Ms. Salay inquired why Council made the choices that were made for Riviera.
Ms. Husak responded that it was suggested at the Commission that Reserve F be included as City
maintenance, due to the stormwater pond. Originally, it was not indicated as City maintenance,
because it is tucked back behind lots in a private location. Reserves K and L continue the large
open space corridor that runs northwest along Brand Road, Shannon Glen and Belvedere. Because
it extends the Belvedere and Shannon Glen parks, it has a community -wide function.
Ms. Salay inquired about the pond just north of Reserve K.
Ms. Husak responded that it is an existing pond, but not a stormwater management pond. It was
created because the eastern fork of the stream is located there. It is tucked behind lots and not
available via the adjacent road network.
Ms. Salay inquired if the thought is that Reserve L will continue on and into Tartan West.
Mr. Reiner interjected that the idea was that Brand Road would be a scenic road and have a large
setback.
Mr. Lecklider stated that Reserve K is not visible from Brand Road or Avery Road. The primary
beneficiary of Reserve K will be the residents of Riviera.
Ms. Husak clarified that in terms of Belvedere, Shannon Glen and Tartan West — anyone travelling
on the bikepath through a Metro Park would go through that.
Ms. Salay stated that when looking at future neighborhoods, what the City will claim as City open
space seems to be the land that we are looking at connecting. In the southwest, many of the
parks are contiguous and connected to each other.
Mr. Lecklider stated that he asked the question about Riviera to try to put this in context. It will be
$80,000 - $90,000 annually to $260,000 for maintenance of this public open space. He has never
been entirely comfortable imposing upon the residents the responsibility for maintaining this
publicly -owned land that everyone benefits from. Do the other communities that Dublin typically
benchmarks to — such as Hudson, OH, Carmel, IN, Novi MI — do they also do this?
Mr. McDaniel responded that staff would check on those and advise Council.
Ms. Salay suggested that the Committee recommend the following action to Council:
- Entryways to subdivisions continue to be maintained privately by the neighborhoods.
- Ponds that are part of the stormwater infrastructure system will be maintained by the City.
Mr. McDaniel stated there are a few ponds that were built as an amenity for the houses
surrounding it. They are in the older areas of the City. At least two of those ponds are not part of
the City's stormwater system.
Mr. Anderson stated that, according to the most recent inventory, there are fewer than 20 ponds
that are currently privately maintained that are part of the City's stormwater system.
Ms. Salay shared the example of the Ballantrae stormwater pond, which was not draining properly.
The City investigated and discovered construction debris that was clogging the drain.
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Mr. McDaniel cautioned against approving an overarching policy for the ponds without more in-
depth discussion on specific ones.
Mr. Reiner stated that he believes the City should be responsible only for those ponds that are
related to the stormwater system, and he believes the City is already doing that.
Ms. Salay stated that there are fewer than 20 City stormwater ponds that are still being privately
maintained. She believes it is reasonable for the City to maintain those ponds.
Mr. Lecklider stated that he supports staff's recommendation related to the ponds.
Ms. Salay stated that staff will need to provide Council with a specific list of those ponds.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that City records indicate that this issue has been discussed previously and
a decision was made to discontinue having HOAs maintain those. However, the decision was not
memorialized, and the practice seems to have been resumed. Staff recommendation #6 is to
memorialize the decisions that are made at this point in time with a written policy.
Staff recommendation #3. The City should retain responsibility for all storm water
systems/structures in all arrangements.
It was the consensus of Committee members to recommend City maintenance of City stormwater
ponds to Council for approval.
Staff recommendation #4: HOAs may utilize the Beautify Your Neighborhood Grant Program for
funding assistance.
Staff consensus was to continue the program, although HOAs that are not forced/funded have
little ability to utilize this opportunity, due to the requirement for matching funds.
Staff recommendation #5: Requests for relief should continue to be considered on a case-by-
case basis with hardship determinations made.
Ms. Salay stated that she would like to have information on what other communities do in terms of
maintaining their City -owned open space. It is important to take into consideration neighborhoods
such as Tartan West, which has a vineyard that it is maintaining. Their themed landscaping is very
different from the typical program.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that for their purpose of their estimate, all the areas were included without
subtracting unique areas.
Ms. Salay suggested that, because the numbers in the chart are skewed, staff contact the HOAs
again to quantify the numbers and determine the typical neighborhood cost. Can the Committee
make a recommendation in regard to City -owned space that is being privately maintained?
Mr. Reiner stated that without having more specific details taking into consideration the history,
space, etc. he is not prepared to vote on a blanket recommendation at this time.
Mr. Lecklider stated that he would like to have more information. Everyone is sensitive to the
perpetual costs of that policy. He assumes that if the City were to maintain all that area, the
majority of it would be handled via contract. Is the $260,000 a good number to work with? He is
interested in what communities similar in character to Dublin do. This decision needs to be
balanced with the other spending decisions that Council makes. He was pleasantly surprised at
the $260,000 number, but does not know if that low number will affect Council's decision. He
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would like to raise the issue with Council and find out if there is a different sentiment, given the
benefit of this information.
Ms. Salay concurred. With the benefit of some better numbers, could a recommendation be taken
to Council?
Mr. Reiner responded that he dissents on the basis of the following two points: (1) This is a
matter of community involvement; and (2) It is an improvement for the benefit of property
owners.
Ms. Salay inquired if another Committee meeting is needed to discuss the revised numbers staff
will provide, or should the discussion be held in a Council meeting.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated the cost estimate of $309,000 is based on City contract prices. That is a
good number. However, the areas that are included could be adjusted after taking a closer look at
some unique situations. Another point is that if the City were to take over the maintenance of the
public areas, the maintenance would be performed at the City's standards, which may not meet
the HOA's standards. Therefore, some neighborhoods might not be satisfied with the City's
frequency for mowing, mulching frequency or amount of fertilizer used. Some neighborhoods may
desire to maintain their areas at a higher standard.
Ms. Salay pointed out that Bristol Commons pays nothing, but their entry feature is beautiful.
Mr. Reiner stated that Ms. O'Callaghan's point is correct, but that is what occurred with Muirfield.
The City was subcontracting the work to be performed at a substandard level, which the residents
were unhappy with. An arrangement occurred for the City to give Muirfield the amount of the basic
cost and Muirfield would add the additional amount to have their area maintained to a higher level.
The maintenance issues are different with each neighborhood and to formulate a standard that fits
all is not possible because there is no commonality among the subdivisions. He believes it is fair to
continue to examine the situations on the basis of requests using the available numbers.
Redundant efforts to do otherwise does not work. However, the three recommendations suggested
are good.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that many of the survey results were received only last Friday, so staff can
make an effort to obtain better responses to the survey and contact some of the HOAs who did
not respond. However, the response rate to this survey is consistent with the level of responses to
the previous two surveys. In addition to that effort, staff can also benchmark the results.
Mr. Reiner stated that the City is satisfied with the HOA work as long as the grass is cut and the
neighborhoods look satisfactory. The City does not have any history of taking HOAs to court.
Mr. Lecklider clarified that it was not staffs recommendation that the status quo be continued;
that was one of the five options.
Mr. Reiner stated that he did say that it was one of the five options recommended, but it is also
the one that he agrees with it, due to how the City has developed.
Mr. Lecklider responded that he just wanted to make sure that the record was clear when Mr.
Reiner stated that he supported staff's recommendation to maintain the status quo. That was not
staffs recommendation, but one of the five options presented.
Ms. Salay stated that there are two of the three committee members who are generally in favor of
the City maintaining City -owned open space. The pond maintenance recommendation is
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supported by all three Committee members, as well as the entry way maintenance
recommendation. The difference in opinion is only in regard to City -owned open space that is
privately maintained. If the City maintains that space at the same level as it maintains other areas
of parkland and open space within the City, the HOAs can choose to have something different or
more. She is not sure how that can best be memorialized with a couple of the neighborhoods that
have requirements included in their zoning texts. Going forward, the City will determine what its
standards are and apply those.
Mr. Reiner responded that the City has already determined those standards and if there is
noncompliance, City Code Enforcement officers address the situations. He does not understand
why there is a need to re -invent that.
Ms. Salay responded that in the fourteen years she has served on Council, these issues have been
discussed on four occasions when four different neighborhoods presented requests for assistance.
She has never been comfortable with the current model whereby public open space is being
privately maintained. Council had requested CSAC to study the issue, and they offered an idea that
did not work. She wants to have something sustainable so that, going forward, everyone knows
what that is. When the City decides to zone a subdivision or neighborhood, the City will take title
to the parkland that makes sense for the City to have and maintain. The areas that benefit the
individual neighborhoods will be privately owned.
Mr. Reiner stated that is already occurring with Planning and Zoning.
Ms. Salay stated that there isn't a consistent condition, and she want to achieve a level of fairness
for all.
Ms. Chinnici-Zuercher inquired if the BYN grant program would be continued.
Ms. Salay responded that she supports continuing it, as it is for entry features. She had pointed
out that there are some neighborhoods who can take advantage of the opportunity and some
neighborhoods who cannot because their HOAs aren't forced and funded. There have been a
couple of grant requests for internal beautification projects, but primarily the grants are used for
neighborhoods to improve their entry features.
Mr. McDaniel requested clarification of the direction:
(1) Staff will identify by location those ponds that are part of the City stormwater system that
are currently being maintained by HOAs and provide that list and the estimated cost to
maintain them to the Committee.
Mr. Reiner requested that the individual pond information include the current maintenance status.
(2) Research other cities' practices for comparison purposes.
(3) Look for City -owned property that has -- through the zoning processes -- required HOAs
to maintain publicly -owned spaces, with the intent to have the City assume that
responsibility.
(4) In the case of Tartan Fields, are their vineyards considered an entry feature or publicly
owned land? If so, the maintenance would not be just mowing or replacing trees, but
grapevine maintenance.
Ms. Salay stated that her view on that, is that she does not believe the City should maintain
grapevines. She will defer to Legal staff, however. Grapevines are unique to that themed
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neighborhood. She views it as an amenity. It is reasonable that the City would mow or provide
maintenance typical for all the open space. There are no other vineyards in Dublin.
Mr. Reiner stated that even if the HOA dresses the vines and conducts the annual pruning, the City
cannot provide their mowing. It would require small, specialty mowers to move among the
vineyard rows.
Ms. Salay stated that it would be handled by City contract, and the HOA is currently contracting it.
Mr. McDaniel stated that he inquired to ensure that information is included in the cost estimate
provided to the Committee. He requested that Legal also look into any potential legal issues that
need to be understood.
Ms. Readler responded that because some maintenance requirements are in the zoning texts,
those neighborhoods would remain responsible for meeting those requirements. A blanket policy
should delineate the services that the City will perform. It will be difficult for a future landowner to
look at the plat that identifies that responsibility as the HOA's. The City will need to ensure that
specific documentation occurs to avoid confusion.
Mr. Reiner inquired about the Tartan West situation. Would the City also be trimming the grass in
addition to mowing it, as that would also be difficult in the vineyards?
Mr. Lecklider stated that what he would support is a basic level of maintenance, as though the
vineyard did not exist. To the extent that they want to maintain the vineyard, that is an expense
above and beyond what the City would fund, which would be their responsibility.
Ms. Salay stated that in order to be in compliance with their zoning text, they would need to do so.
If the HOAs are not satisfied with the City's basic level of maintenance, they can provide the
"above and beyond" portion. The City would not maintain anything that is not part of the typical
public open space.
Ms. O'Callaghan noted that the inventory and cost estimates provided tonight are based upon the
City's standard level of service.
Mr. Reiner suggested that before too much effort is expended, the recommendations should be
taken to Council for approval. A consensus of Council should be obtained.
Mr. Lecklider noted that the Committee can direct the staff to provide additional information before
making a recommendation to Council.
Mr. Reiner inquired if the intent is to have another committee meeting before making that
recommendation.
Mr. McDaniel stated that there needs to be sufficient time before that committee meeting for staff
to research and assemble the information requested. Staff will discuss the time needed and report
back to the Committee.
Mr. Lecklider stated that after the information is assembled, he is not opposed to the next
discussion occurring with Council.
Villaaes at Coffman Park Reauest
Ms. O'Callaghan inquired if their request would remain on hold
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Ms. Salay inquired if the Committee could provide a pond recommendation to Council, separate
from the other discussion. Committee members are in agreement regarding stormwater ponds.
Ms. O'Callaghan confirmed that the pond at the Villages of Coffman Park is part of the City's
stormwater system.
Ms. Salay clarified that their request is for maintenance of the pond and mowing of the area
around the pond.
Ms. Husak stated that their memo requests maintenance, mowing, goose control and electric.
Ms. O'Callaghan stated that staffs recommendation is that the City not provide the goose control,
as that is not part of its standard maintenance. Their recommendation is also that this could be
addressed as a temporary remedy, due to the fact that there are only 11 homes in this
neighborhood, rather than the anticipated 66 homes.
Ms. Salay stated that it could be a temporary remedy until a larger policy is adopted or the
community is built out.
Mr. Lecklider moved to recommend that Council adopt staffs recommendation that the City
assume maintenance responsibility for the public common area mowing and turf care for the
Villages at Coffman Park, to be effective through 2016.
Mr. Reiner seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously approved by the Committee.
Mr. McDaniel confirmed that staff will prepare a memo summarizing the Committee's action on this
matter to share with Council.
Ms. Salay stated that this will be taken forward to Council.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:30 p.m.
Deputy Clerk of Council