HomeMy WebLinkAbout09-19-16 Council Work Session MinutesDublin City Council Work Session
Monday, September 19, 2016
Minutes of Meeting
Mayor Peterson called the Monday, September 19, 2016 Work Session of Dublin City Council to
order at 6:00 p.m. at the Dublin Municipal Building.
Members present were: Mayor Peterson, Vice Mayor Reiner, Ms. Alutto, Mr. Keenan, Ms. Salay
and Mr. Lecklider (arrived at 6:10 p.m.). Ms. Amorose Groomes was absent (excused).
Staff members present: Mr. McDaniel, Ms. Crandall, Ms. Goss, Mr. Papsidero, Ms. Noble, Mr.
Earman, Ms. Richison, Mr. Hammersmith, Ms. Mumma and Ms. Nardecchia.
Mr. McDaniel stated that tonight, staff will provide a report on an Aging in Place Strategic Plan,
Housing Trends and a Senior Housing Study. Ms. Julie Rinaldi will provide a report on Syntero's
Older Adult Services. This topic has been a standing goal of Council for some time, and staff
wanted to provide an update.
• Aging in Place Strategic Plan
Ms. Crandall stated that although tonight's agenda will focus primarily on the Senior Housing
Study, staff wanted to provide Council with a draft of an Aging in Place Strategic Plan. The next
step is for the draft to be referred to the Community Services Advisory Commission for review.
Council identified the need for an Aging in Place Plan during the 2014 Council Retreat, and this
became a 2014-2015 goal.
The definition of Aging in Place is the ability for individuals to remain in their homes or
neighborhoods safely, independently and comfortably for as long as possible, regardless of age or
ability.
Staff took several steps in the development of this plan.
• They started by gathering a cross -divisional team and had two brain -storming sessions to
establish the framework of this plan. The team was comprised of a representative from
each division and several from Recreational Services and Planning, because much of the
planning covers those areas.
• Input was also obtained from several external organizations, and they will continue to do
so as they develop the Plan. As noted in the draft Plan, the City will leverage many
resources and abilities of the area agencies. A few of those include: Ohio University; Ohio
Health; Syntero (a representative will be speaking later in the meeting); the Ohio
Department on Aging; the Central Ohio Area Agency on Aging; and Franklin County Office
of Aging.
• Trends and statistics were also examined.
• Several years ago, the City completed a Boomers Study, which involved focus groups with
the Baby Boomers' population. Tracy Gee completed that report, which was used for
recreational programming. The City has revamped much of its program based on a lot of
the feedback the City received from that study.
• Best practice plans from other communities were reviewed, as well as information and
studies on this topic.
The draft plan contains many statistics — national, state and local. A few statistics tell the story of
the changing demographics:
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Nationally:
• In 2010, there were 40.3 million people aged 65+. By 2050, the number will more than
double.
People prefer to stay in their homes as they age. Nationally, 87% of the adults age 65 or
older want to stay in their current homes; 71% of those age 50-64.
State:
• Ohio has the seventh largest older adult population in the nation. By 2032, it is anticipated
that 22% of the state population will be 65 or older.
• Caregivers: There are approximately 1.7 million Ohioans that provide some level of care
giving for a friend, family or neighbor. Caregiving has an impact on the emotions and
health of the caregiver. It also has an impact on employers. Employers are faced with the
challenges of absenteeism and "presenteeism" -- as people at work think about the care,
which they must provide.
Dublin:
• Conducted a recreational programming analysis in 2015; the study was completed by
Ballard King and projected population statistics that indicated significant increases in the
aging groups over time.
Plan Structure and Focus:
Staff looked at several plan structures. Looking at Dublin's needs, the draft Strategic Plan is
divided into three categories. It contains objectives/goals and actions:
• Health, Wellness and Social Services
1. Health care information and insurance guidance
2. Whole person wellness — fitness; diet; emotional, financial and behavioral health
3. Caregiver support
4. Services — Looks at the gaps in service; home maintenance and retrofitting;
transportation (also noted in planning section of draft plan -- infrastructure options for
transit).
Civic engagement and employment
1. Social interaction/community connection — how to keep older adults civically engaged.
2. Volunteerism programming that allows people to feel accomplishment by giving back to
their community.
3. Employment for older adults that need to stay in the workforce past traditional ages,
including part-time employment, retooling skills and job search.
Daily living
1. Planned and built environment —services located conveniently near our older adult
communities — medical facilities, grocery stores, and pharmacies.
2. Neighborhood design — proximity of services; type of infrastructure in place, transit
options, recreation and parks.
3. Housing
4. Transportation — looks at the infrastructure in place and the transit services that are
available. A transit study will be underway soon.
5. Safety — Home safety, issues with fraud, etc.
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Next Steps:
• CSAC - This is one of the three topics that Council asked to be referred to the Community
Services Advisory Commission (CSAC). This draft plan will be reviewed by CSAC at their
next meeting on October 11.
• Gather additional input on the draft plan from organizations and agencies with this
particular focus.
• CSAC will provide recommendations to Council for adoption of the plan.
• Staff will develop Action Steps for execution of the plan, including timelines and
responsibilities.
• Ongoing progress updates will be provided to Council.
Ms. Crandall invited Council questions/feedback.
Mayor Peterson stated that for a first draft plan, it was very comprehensive and reveals the reason
this is an important issue for this community.
Ms. Alutto inquired:
1. When this draft plan is provided to CSAC, will they also be provided with the resources that
were used to compile the information, should they want to do any additional research
themselves -- giving them a starting point.
2. Recently, the CSAC group structure was "Ye -tooled" a bit. Will they understand what their
purview is, what they are to provide, and the steps needed to do so? Will they have the
support to do that which Council is asking them to accomplish?
Ms. Crandall responded that CSAC would be provided with resources. Interestingly, at the last
meeting, a couple of members had already begun to conduct some online research, so they should
be able to bring their own perspective. The intent is to provide them with the plan and obtain their
feedback over the course of one or two meetings. If CSAC should desire any additional public
input or something additional from staff, that would be provided to them, as well.
Mr. McDaniel noted that this type of involvement provides great learning experiences for our
community members. As an example of that type of involvement, the City's solid waste programs
were all developed from resident input. As this comprehensive program develops, it will reflect
their own research. Over time, CSAC can be provided with presentations from various agencies.
They can be provided the information to make them "subject matter experts" so that they feel
comfortable making their recommendations.
Ms. Alutto inquired if there was thought about utilizing some specific working relationships; for
example, AARP has a livability index, which addresses aging in place in a community.
Ms. Crandall responded that there are some relationships the City in interest in exploring. Staff has
reached out to AARP in the past. They have some programming with the City.
Mr. Keenan:
1. Advised caution regarding working with AARP, as they have become very political. The
"elephant in the room" for people trying to remain in their community is the real estate
taxes. Perhaps there is a governmental fix possible. Because the real estate taxes are high,
staying within this community is a problem for many individuals. He is unsure how that
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could be remedied. Maybe there could be escalating "breaks" for the individual as they
become older. He does know that this is the major reason people on fixed incomes are
unable to stay in Dublin.
2. Need to start the education process at a younger age. Starting at age 65 or 70 is not
effective. He regularly deals with long-term care issues in his business. People are shocked
when they begin researching the costs at that late age. Evaluating the available tools for
providing long-term care is difficult, so the education process needs to begin earlier.
Vice Mayor Reiner:
1. Expressed interest in the tax component, as well. He would like to learn if there are any
communities that begin to reduce the real estate taxes for homeowners beginning at age
65. This is the reason people eventually leave the City. Some people remain to take
advantage of the City's educational system, but after their children graduate, they leave the
community.
2. Crossover from the "blue zone" issues. Talking about keeping senior citizens engaged in
community efforts. Involvement is one the key criteria for people living long and happy
lives. Perhaps it is possible to weave in some "blue zone" ideas.
Mr. Keenan added:
1. Regarding the long-term care issue, there are coverage options in place. However, from a
cooperate perspective, currently an S and a C Corp can 100% tax deduct long-term care
coverage. A class can be set up in many ways — with officers or with shareholders. The
Federal government put those rules in place, and to some extent so that they could come
up with some type of means for a tax deductible ability. Although there are small "pieces"
now, they are limited. Providing for that at the Federal level might encourage more people
to invest in opportunities to take care of themselves in the future, as opposed to having the
government do so through Medicaid.
Ms. Salay stated that:
1. She is interested in the tax piece of this. She does not understand what Council could do
other than address the City's income tax, which is limited. It is anticipated that families
with large family homes would support the school systems. There should be different
options. She believes many people leave Dublin reluctantly. If the level of their taxes is
pricing them out of their home, she believes they would prefer to downsize their home but
remain within the community.
Mr. Keenan stated that the problem is the options that are available. Currently, moving from a
family home to a condo does not help at all in reducing the property taxes.
Ms. Salay continued:
2. It is important that Council first discuss then clarify what our expectations are for CSAC so
that we empower them to do some work on this, not simply listen to a presentation from
staff. Personally, she believes that Council wants CSAC to "sink their teeth into this" and
become very involved.
Mr. Keenan stated that the "fix" isn't exclusively at the local level. A major part of the fix is at the
federal and state level. Our impact could be made by encouraging our legislators at both the state
and federal levels — that may be the place where we can start.
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Ms. Salay noted that might require some spending.
Ms. Alutto noted that it might be good to let CSAC know this. Maybe one of the outcomes Council
could expect for CSAC is — tell them that this is as far as it is possible to go on a local level;
identify the gaps — what needs to occur between the local and the federal or state level. Although
Council may decide not to proceed down that path, it could be a deliverable that is requested. She
agrees that it is important to clarify the desired deliverables, particularly since the composition of
CSAC has been altered and their focus shifted.
Mr. Lecklider inquired if there has been discussion about the anticipated timetable for this project
review by CSAC.
Ms. Crandall responded that there has not. Following Mr. McDaniel's suggestion to make CSAC
subject experts, representatives from Ohio University, Syntero and other agencies on aging could
be brought in to present to CSAC. It would probably take two or three meetings for CSAC to
review the plan.
Mr. Lecklider stated that his concern in regard to the timing issue is development pressure.
Although Dublin may not have a similar land mass of the size of Riviera, it would be good to have
potential recommendations or incentives in place to encourage a different housing style.
Ms. Crandall noted that issue will be coming up next in the Senior Housing Study, which is not a
study that would be forwarded to CSAC.
Mayor Peterson inquired the best way to clarify Council's direction to CSAC. He does not see that
review as an effort to obtain only the input of the CSAC members, but as a forum provided for
other people to come in and share their views.
Mr. McDaniel stated that he would suggest letting the project go to CSAC in an unconstrained
manner, but provide a framework with topics to study and identify recommendations. Although
staff can provide help, the CSAC members would conduct some great research on their own. He
would suggest that sufficient time be allowed in order to schedule some experts for CSAC to hear
from. It should be at least a six-month time, during which time, status updates could be provided
to Council. Council can also view their progress through CSAC minutes. Because this is a new
CSAC, they will need to a little time to eget up to speed." The goal is not to drag out the study,
but to be thorough. In regard to Mr. Lecklider's comment about housing, that would be addressed
separately, as will be discussed shortly.
Syntero's Older Adult Services
Hollie Goldberg, Syntero, 299 Cramer Creek, Dublin, stated that they had hoped to introduce their
new Dublin Older Adult Specialist, Stephanie Jursek, but she had to leave town suddenly due to a
family medical emergency. The packet of information, which has been shared with Council tonight,
is a sample of the information that Ms. Jursek has been providing throughout the community. Due
to the City's generous funding to Syntero last year, Ms. Jursek was hired in January to focus on
expanded services to Dublin seniors. That funding is enabling them to provide a rapid response to
seniors in need of help. Ms. Jursek responds immediately to those who contact her for help, and
depending on their needs, she may serve as a social support, a broker or a patient advocate or
navigator for them. They offer a caregiver consultation program, which is funded by two Franklin
County property tax levies — the ADAMH levy and the Franklin County Office on Aging levy. They
also have a full-time social worker whom Ms. Jursek may also engage in the provision of their
services. During a seminar at the Dublin Library, they and other area agencies presented a panel
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on available aging in place services. They are attempting to make the community aware that,
whatever issues older residents are dealing with — health, family, mental health, daily living,
transportation or housing options — their agency can help people, often in some "hands on" ways.
During the first six months of their program, January through August, they had 29 individual
Dublin clients. They have served even more through seminar venues, which have attracted 120
people. She also gives presentations at the Dublin Recreation Center once a month on several
topics. She presented an example of an elderly individual they were able to assist recently with a
housing need. The individual will also quality for the Senior Options program, which will subsidize
her transportation needs. Unfortunately, many do not qualify for that program, and transportation
needs can be a significant cost for them. Their hope is that, as the City begins to focus on the
aging in place issues, there may be some local responses for this problem.
Mr. Keenan inquired if the subsidy is income -based. At what point would it begin?
Ms. Goldberg responded that the Senior Options program is available beginning at age 60 and is
based on income and liquid resources. As a rule of thumb, an individual with more than $65,000 in
savings can access the services but not qualify for the subsidy. It would be good if there would be
a local way to help underwrite the costs of using those services for seniors who don't qualify for
the county subsidy.
Mr. Keenan responded that Council has previously discussed the provision of transportation options
within our City, which could serve everybody. This underscores the need for Council to continue
that discussion. He believes all of Council is committed to that task.
Ms. Goldberg stated that there are a few other resources for senior transportation; one is through
Syntero. Ms. Jursek has taken clients to health care appointments or to search for new
apartments. They have a part-time volunteer coordinator on staff, Barb Warner, who recruits new
volunteers to do a lot of driving. Also, COTA Mainstream is the local transit program for people
with disabilities, many of whom are senior, and there is the Senior Options. Although there are
options available for some people, for others there seem to be none. It would be good if there
were something for City of Dublin residents that the larger community may not have.
Vice Mayor Reiner stated that some cities have recently begun developing a subsidized Uber
assistance program for seniors, which will help them to be mobile at a much reduced cost.
Ms. Goldberg stated that it would be good if there was also an Uber assistant that could help
seniors schedule their transportation trips.
Ms. Alutto inquired about the typical volunteer demographic.
Ms. Goldberg responded that at this time, they have 40-50 volunteers. They recruit volunteers for
"once a week to once a year." They have some volunteers who can only serve evenings or
weekends -- they may serve as a visitor or provide transportation to a grocery store; some
volunteers who are young retirees, and some who volunteer 3-4 times a week, particularly for
driving seniors; and others who make a more limited commitment. They also have some youth
volunteers. Youth volunteers are not used to drive seniors, but they can be very helpful in helping
seniors set up new cell phones, as many seniors do not know how to set up their contacts.
Council thanked Ms. Goldberg for the information
Ms. Rinaldi, Executive Director, Svntero thanked Council for the additional $75,000 funding that
began in January. They initiated these program efforts immediately. Hopefully, Council can see
that they have taken this opportunity very seriously. She noted that in the back of the Fall Parks
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and Recreation guide, there is a program offered called "Aging and Your Health." There are a
couple other class offerings, as well. They have been offering these classes a number of years at
the Senior Center, but since Ms. Goldberg began to do the classes, the interest has increased.
• Trends in Housing
Ms. Goss stated that as they hear about State and local trends, it is important to keep in mind the
potential impacts on housing stock. One of the most significant trends is downsizing. A national
survey conducted by "Home Insight" indicated that 49% of people aged 50 and older plan to
downsize. Downsizing includes smaller houses, smaller yards, a decrease in personal items, such
as furniture and home accessories, and the desire to find homes that have accommodations that
make mobility easier. In general, they are searching for homes that are single story floor plans
with master bedrooms on the first floor, wider hallways, and maintenance -free outdoor spaces.
These are all amenities that allow an aging population to live safely in their own homes for the
longest period of time. One of the advantages to downsizing is the potential to free up equity as a
result of paying down/off their mortgages. By selecting a low to mid -priced home, this group may
be able to leverage their real estate investment to prepare for a decrease in monthly income, an
increase in medical expenses, or the opportunity to travel or enjoy other opportunities. Baby
Boomers are looking for affordable housing options within their own communities. The future
homes that many of the Baby Boomers are looking for are very much the same as those that
Millennials desire. The Building Industry Association conducted a recent study that said that Baby
Boomers are looking for mixed -used neighborhoods that provide daily necessities, such as coffee
shops, stores, restaurants, doctors' offices, and they want those amenities to be close by,
walkable, and accessible. This trend is seen in the Bridge Park development. The study also
indicated that Baby Boomers typically seek housing opportunities in proximity of their families and
their current community. Many older adults seek to be actively involved in their children's lives and
maintain the social, religious and volunteer activities that they have enjoyed throughout their lives.
US News indicates there are seven housing trends to watch -- Boomers want:
- to pay off their mortgage;
- lower housing expenses;
- more convenience and less maintenance, work and worry;
- walkable neighborhood;
- to renovate their homes;
- to remain on their own as long as possible;
- to be close to family and friends.
• Senior Housing Study
Purpose of Study
Ms. Noble stated that this a complex issue. There are a variety of items to tackle to address the
housing needs of the aging population. They have been working on this study a couple years. The
65 and older population is going to expand quickly. In five years, it will grow to approximately
33% of Dublin's population. Above age 50, it becomes 50 percent. As it will be a significant part
of our population, it warrants these discussions. The City's Zoning Code does not have uses that
pertain to senior housing. Most of these projects have been handled through a PUD process.
Types of Senior Housing
The type of care that facilities provide is very specialized; it is not a once size fits all. There are
four senior housing products:
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• Independent Living Communities. These appear very similar to a typical residential
community, but they may have a community center that provides a social aspect for the
residents, but from all other aspects, it functions like a residential community.
• Assisted Living Communities — This comprises the largest portion of the market and
provides more advanced services such as transportation, laundry and food services,
organizational activities and limited medical services.
• Skilled Nursing Communities — These are also termed "nursing homes" and provide 24-
hour care for seniors with more intensive medical needs. They provide social services,
personal care, or any other needs the resident has. This constitutes a third of the market
but may experience changes due to advances in technology.
• Continuing Care Retirement — This is the most contemporary type of community. They
provide a range of housing and medical care based on the evolving needs of the
population. The residents can progress through their stages of life within the same
community.
Economic Impacts
• Many of these developments are looking for locations near specialized services, medical
services, restaurants, grocery stores and are competing with commercial development, so
there can be an economic impact from this type of development.
• Because this study is subjective, staff used a study completed by Moore Diversified
Services (MDS). They took some parameters and gauged what type of economic impact
that type of development would have on the community.
• Their test study included a property with 80 units, 93% occupancy, and 74 residents.
Average cost/per unit is $3,550 a month.
• If the center employees five employees per unit for a total of 40 employees, wages would
vary based on specialization, but would range from 28 to 37 percent of overall budget.
• The end product is approximately $1 million in salaries and wages, which would be
produced to the community — there is an economic benefit to these project.
• Dublin currently has 11 nursing care facilities dispersed throughout the City.
Regulating Senior Housing
There are various methods of reviewing senior housing depending on the preferences of the
community. Staff has looked at other communities to see how they have addressed this topic.
Options include:
• Adopt a zoning regulation that could include planned districts (PUD), variances, conditional
uses, special permits, establishing zoning districts or establishing guidelines.
• Adopt a special zoning district for specialized communities for age 55 and over. The
development standards would accommodate these type of projects. They are permitted as
long as no more than 80% of occupants are 55 or older.
• The least regulatory option would be adopt development guidelines that oversee design,
open space, financing and other negotiable terms.
Potential Development Sites
Using a GIS tool, they have identified potential development sites. The task was to identify all the
sites in Dublin that were above five acres that were not commercially zoned. This does not
necessarily mean they were developable sites or consistent with the Community Plan. It was
simply to identify sites that could accommodate a use of this size. Based on the acreage
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parameters, the potential sites are on the periphery of the City — in all corners. The sites identified
within those parameters are not within areas that have a close proximity to services.
Conclusions of their analysis
• There is a decline in interest in a nursing home model of care. People want to live in more
naturalized residential communities in which they feel at home as part of the community.
That is a desire, which they'd like to address.
• Rise of technology enhanced care, which is allowing aging citizens to live longer lives. It is
also providing avenues that permit people to remain in their homes longer. There are
technical devices and apps that allow people to be reminded when they need to take their
medication, ensure the care that they need, including emergency services.
• There is an interest in more multi -generational housing options. People can live with family
members. This creates a vitality for people to live longer and more functional lives.
• Neighborhood friendly civic planning. People want to remain socially engaged, to be part of
their communities as long as they can, so there is a need to provide those opportunities.
• Cooperative living. People may have ethnic or specialized interests that allow them to be in
communities that might have that specialization or common bond.
• There is a desire to have more amenities and lifestyle perks in traditional senior housing,
opportunities to be more interactive within their community.
• Eco -green senior housing, which would lower the maintenance costs in the long term.
Developers are acknowledging that this enables people to stay in these types of facilities at
a more affordable cost.
• Aging in place means a need for increased capacity for the health care industry. As people
remain longer in their homes, they will need social services. This will impact this profession.
In this phase, the attempt was to learn the needs of the community. At this point, they desire
Council input, including:
• Are there specific amenities Council would like to consider to help the aging population to
remain within our community? One example of this is a senior community center, which
could provide them the social aspect, a quality of life factor.
• Location considerations - where do these facilities belong within the City? Are there
acceptable or non -acceptable parameters for their consideration?
• Regulatory consideration — does the City continue to review these projects as planned
districts, or consider other opportunities for regulating these uses? That could be as a
specific zoning district or an administrative process. To what detail would Council want to
review these projects?
Mayor Peterson stated that at his present stage in life, his housing decisions are based on his
children's needs -- the schools, a yard for outdoor activities. There is a future point at which his
health may dictate his housing needs. What is missing is an "in between" option — no need for the
yard, no desire to pay the property taxes for a particular school system. Because these options are
also market-driven, how do we encourage the market to provide that kind of product? For people
who are still mobile, transportation is a key component. For him, the desire would not necessarily
be to remain exactly where he is, but to age and remain within this community. There is a need
for a mid-range housing product and a transportation system throughout the City that allows that
population component to access the river, Glacier Ridge Metro Park, or other locations.
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Ms. Noble responded that there is a progression, so the goal is to have housing products
appropriate for all those life stages.
Vice Mayor Reiner stated that he would be interested in seeing examples of these products that
exist within our country. Condominiums may be smaller, but they cost essentially what a home
costs, and the home mortgage may be paid off. The challenge is to find the housing product that
is $200,000-$300,000 less. He does not see that product being built. He would like to see if there
are some examples of this happening within the country. Then, the City could zone some land for
that. Part of the criteria could be that the people living there have to be at least 55 years of age,
so the housing doesn't become an opportunity that moves a different direction than we desire.
Mr. Lecklider stated that this product is available in central Ohio. It is available in Westerville and
southern Delaware County. The product is 1,500 — 2,000 square feet at an affordable price point -
- $250,000 to low $300,000. Some builders will need to move in that direction to meet the market
need. Continuing to build 4-5 bedroom, 3,500 square feet homes would miss a segment of the
market. He sees that as a need of the age 55-80 population group. This discussion is good in
terms of identifying land within our community where these types of facilities could locate. There is
development pressure for those areas, and it is good to be proactive. However, he is speaking
about a particular type of neighborhood -- the Autumn Rose Farm is a good example. A Pulte
Homes representative contacted him recently. They had learned of the City's discussions of this
need and indicated that they would like to explore an empty -nester product. At that point, they
were suggesting a product that was too expensive, however. The type of community he is
referring to is not that which needs communal dining and housekeeping services, but for those
who want to move away from the traditional, suburban living.
Mr. Papsidero indicated that Planning has had several discussions recently with developers who
were talking about delivering the right product, but the cost was too high. They are adding a
Dublin premium. That seems to be a real challenge in the marketplace. Beyond increasing the
density to enable the developer to make what they believe is a reasonable return, he doesn't see
other tools that would accomplish that.
Ms. Goss stated that is the challenge from the builder's standpoint. The developer's incentive for
building a project is to make money. How do we make the numbers work for them? Unfortunately,
what happens is much of the finishes are eliminated; there is a downgrade. That is not what
Dublin wants to see. We need to find a way — perhaps an increase in density — to make the
project work for the developer, yet be at the right price point.
Mr. Lecklider stated that what he is hearing is that the problem is the cost of land. How is this
product being built in southern Delaware County and Westerville? Are the land costs that much
greater in Dublin, or is it that the developer knows they can charge more in Dublin.
Mayor Peterson stated that they also know they can continue to build big houses on the land. It is
the pressure of what they could build and what we are asking them to build. It would seem to him,
the density in this context could mean something different than that in a multi -family
development. Density in a multi -family development means pressure on the schools and the road
system. A higher density in this type of development would not seem to be as problematic. Is that
correct? The builder needs to be able to sell four smaller units for the same amount as two larger
homes.
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Mr. Keenan stated that he believes it is possible to zone for an age group. Can't that restriction be
made? There are age 55 -older communities, which would reduce the impact on the schools. It is
possible to build a product with the specific amenities for seniors, as occurred with Avondale
Woods, that aren't seen in a traditional construction project.
Ms. Noble stated that is correct. That is what they desire in terms of guidelines. There are many
interior finishes that builders can use to accommodate the needs of this population, such as lower
countertops or bathrooms that accommodate limited mobility. It is possible to restrict these
communities to age 55 and older, as long as that is limited to 80% of the general population over
55 and 20% is allowed to be any age group.
Mr. Keenan stated that it does limit who will live there. A community that is 80% and older
probably would not attract the family element. The home design would likely be primarily ranch or
patio homes.
Ms. Salay stated that with Avondale Woods, over time, the developer shifted that product. We
have talked about a multi -family community that is attractive to both seniors and family -- a
neighborhood where families could buy homes, and close by, there are other homes that would be
attractive to seniors or the mid-range group. For example, her children could buy a home in which
to raise their family, and she and her husband could buy a home there that would suit their needs
— not a family home, perhaps just one level. Does this concept exist in other communities? She
shared an example of a very active 86 -year old who had previously lived in her neighborhood. The
neighbors looked out for her, but, although active, eventually, she began to have some health
issues. People suggested to her other options, such as the Dublin Retirement Village, and she took
her for a visit one day. They had a lovely time, and because this neighbor was a very social lady,
she expected her to like it. However, she indicated that she did not want to live with "all those old
people." Ms. Salay added that her father was similar in that he loved his neighborhood because of
the diversity of the age groups. Very active seniors are reluctant to move into a traditional
retirement community. Although they enjoy friends their own age, they also like the vitality of
younger people around them. That would be an easier zoning challenge — a mixed housing
product, rather than a restricted product. A community designed to appeal to different ages might
be more acceptable.
Ms. Alutto concurred.
- Social research shows that when the older generations are brought together with younger
generations, the community benefits as a whole. People provide knowledge and services
for each other within the community. Although this report is an excellent start, it does not
address this component. She would be interested in learning if there are some communities
that are working on this concept. One of the reasons that people are interested in the
Bridge Street development is the accommodation for millennials and for empty -nester
retirees. Why does it have to be higher -density housing that works that way? Are there
other designs, from a neighborhood standpoint, that could also work that way?
- Dublin is a three -county city. The counties offer different services. Could Dublin find a way
to offer a one-stop shop, so people know where to go? Currently, the residents have to
search for what they need. She is aware of this, because she has an aging mother who
lives in Delaware County and aging in-laws who live in Franklin County. Recently, both
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experienced the need for follow-up services to knee replacement surgery and had to go to
two different sources to identify the services.
Ms. Goss added that one component of recent discussions with Ohio University concerning their
campus master plan is the idea of the type of community that has been suggested. Is there an
opportunity for student housing to be combined with senior housing? She recently had this
discussion with Shawna Bolin, Ohio University Director of University Planning and Space
Management. This type of housing could be beneficial. It occurs frequently in European countries
and could be explored here, as well. It fits the premise of Ohio University — a health -centric
campus, with different types of wellness programs. There could be opportunities for students to
engage with an older population that would be beneficial from a programmatic perspective.
Ms. Alutto stated that would an ideal option to explore. That campus is geared toward the
graduate -level professional students, as opposed to undergraduates — where there would likely be
conflicts in terms of lifestyle.
Vice Mayor Reiner stated that there is another aspect. The City gave Ohio University $25 million of
free land. Considering the problem with the Dublin premium on homes — greater cost for living in
Dublin and greater cost of Dublin land -- this removes the premium related to the cost of the land,
which makes it a good site for this type of community.
Ms. Amy stated that in regard to multi -generational living — within The Grand, there is a daycare
center. It is called the Kiddie Grand. It hasn't been open long. She is curious what the interaction
has been between the seniors and the little ones. It is an interesting concept.
Ms. Alutto stated that this is where her mother-in-law went for her post-surgery rehabilitation.
Inside, it is like an indoor village with a small bar, ice cream shop, church and theater —
constructed with a Main Street theme. When they visited her, there was little activity occurring,
but perhaps that was because it was so new. The community areas had more activity. She did not
see much interaction between the skilled nursing facility and the daycare facility, which is located
on the other side. She would recommend Council visiting the site.
Ms. Noble stated that they worked with Mr. Vrable in the early stages of his project, and they
visited different communities. He showed them this product in other cities. It was eye-opening. He
explained that the idea was not necessarily for the residents. There is a social component for the
care providers. It is way for them to connect during a very stressful time in their lives.
Ms. Alutto concurred. It is a stressful time for families. In their experience, their family member
was there short-term, but they did not feel overwhelmed by bringing their children with them to
visit her. It is a new concept for the area. After some time, it might be beneficial to have a report
on how it is working.
Mayor Peterson inquired what direction is needed in regard to the issue of zoning and the housing
product. The Strategic Plan will be studied by CSAC. In regard to the Senior Housing Study —
what direction is needed to address this?
Ms. Noble responded that they would like to know if Council would like the market to drive this.
There is a strong need, and we could wait to see where the developers intend to go with it.
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Mr. Keenan stated that she alluded to some zoning tools that could be used to that end. Perhaps
that is direction that Council could give.
Ms. Noble responded that there are options. Currently, it is being addressed with the PUD process,
and that is acceptable. If Council wishes to pursue other avenues — a zoning district would make
the process easier for developers. However, Council would see the zoning process, but might not
actually see the development project.
Ms. Alutto inquired if other cities use that type of zoning.
Ms. Noble responded affirmatively.
Ms. Alutto stated that it might be helpful for Council to see some examples for consideration.
Ms. Noble stated that there are a couple states that have some examples to offer, so they could
provide that information for discussion.
Ms. Alutto stated that it would be helpful to see the results of their zoning efforts, as well. If they
weren't successful, then that would not be a good option for Dublin.
Ms. Salay stated that she is less inclined to let the market drive it. That has not been how Dublin
has approached creating its community. The City has been very intentional with its Community
Plan, looking at the land use over the years. This seems to be an opportunity to look at the
Community Plan and identify appropriate areas for this type of development. Recently, Alzheimer's
care, assisted living, skilled nursing and rehabilitation care places have been built, and there could
be many more within the community, if Council permitted it. Letting the market drive the
development will result in more of those types of centers. If the desire is to create areas within
the City where inter -generational or a downsized, affordable lifestyle is possible, then Council
needs to identify areas for that type of community — a location that would have nearby amenities
and a place to congregate. There is available land in the southwest and other areas of the City
where that type of community might flourish. The City has not had much success with adding
amenities to an existing neighborhood — it often receives significant pushback. However, if a
community is designed with that and people buying there are aware of it, it is more successful.
For example, with the Bridge Park development — the people who choose to buy there want to be
in the midst of all that activity. She would rather see Dublin be proactive and intentional, rather
than letting the market drive it.
Mr. McDaniel summarized that he believes Council direction is:
1. To pursue the age 55+ restricted housing or multi -general type neighborhoods. Examples
of that should be found to share with Council.
He noted that:
- There are opportunities. The City has been approached by developers routinely.
- A couple years ago, he asked Planning staff to look into the opportunities for skilled nursing
facilities within the community. There are a number of those already, so what number is
sufficient?
The City is constantly being approached to trade off prime commercial property for these
types of facilities. The map shown earlier identified potential locations for these facilities
that would not give up prime commercial land. Presently, the City has been pushing back
on some of those types of facilities. There is a need to be careful about where those are
placed. There are sites that would lend themselves better to those types of developments,
versus the City's prime commercial sites. A message can be shared with developers that
the City is open to some of those, but only in certain areas, as the City continues to build
out.
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2. Identify locations where skilled facilities could be placed.
Mr. Keenan inquired if this presentation and map would be posted on the City's website.
Mr. Papsidero responded that it can be posted.
Mr. Keenan clarified that the reason he asks is that if that map is posted, the City will begin to
hear from the public. If it does get posted, it needs to be made perfectly clear that the iteration is
only for suggested areas.
Mr. McDaniel agreed. It doesn't mean that other sites couldn't be considered.
Mr. Keenan stated that the other point is that developers want to locate these facilities in Dublin.
These are high-end facilities. The cost of living in Mr. Vrable's facility is probably $10,000-
$12,000/month.
Mr. McDaniel stated that much of this development is determined by available licenses. Because of
the changing demographics of the state, much of that licensing is being reapportioned to Franklin
County and surrounding counties. As more licenses are made available, more facilities will be
built. However, Dublin does not need to be the site for all of those. An appropriate balance can be
found.
Mr. Lecklider stated that he agrees with that approach to those facilities. With respect to the
empty -nester or inter -generational housing, he agrees that Council's approach should be more
intentional. Bridge Street is the best example — Bridge Park East and West were planned. Council
needs to take a similar approach, although this would be on a smaller scale. Maybe there is
something that can be done to incent it — perhaps a greater density, or as yet unidentified
incentives.
Mayor Peterson stated that there is consensus on Council. Land is a finite resource. Currently,
what Dublin has is market driven. The housing option discussed tonight is not being built. The
direction for staff is to provide some examples and products from other cities that have made
attempts to address this, including ways to incentivize this type of development for the
community.
The meeting was adjourned at 7:40 p.m.
Deputy Clerk of Council